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[-] [email protected] 215 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What the hell?!?!?! This is a server OS! It needs to be as light as possible and for the sake of server stability and security, admins carefully choose the installed apps. Microsoft can't just install new applications on a whim.

This is fuged up.

[-] Couldbealeotard 155 points 1 month ago

People in this thread seem to be missing this point.

This is windows server, not windows 11. The consequences is not "I'll have an annoying taskbar icon on my home computer", this is enterprise level interference that could affect large systems and thousands of users.

Linux Mint isn't an alternative to windows server.

[-] optissima 68 points 1 month ago

You're right ig, in that case grab Debian.

[-] Couldbealeotard 19 points 1 month ago

I only SysAdmin on raspbian thank you very much.

[-] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

Yeah but Fedora and Debian sure as shit are.

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[-] TexasDrunk 32 points 1 month ago

Yep. I no longer have to administer Windows servers (everything I do is serverless these days) but I did for many years.

Adding anything to a server without vetting it against policies is a huge no no. Back when I was doing it, a big part of our monthly update deployment was updating the test environment first so we knew we weren't about to break a bunch of shit for us and our customers. Not just "does this brick Windows server", but "do our applications still function" (usually yes, but the answer was no on several occasions over shit smaller than this).

I don't know what adding copilot does. Is it going to accidentally break some custom application by accident because it's tied directly into the system? Is it going to report shit that I've already opted out of due to our data policies and possibly fuck up our audit compliance because of government regulations (defense, medical, and energy sectors have huge responsibilities in that area, just don't ask how I know)? How does it interact with our in-house developed software?

Fuck, I dunno. That sounds like a nightmare for infrastructure and ops, several managers, government regulators, and a payday for legal.

[-] PriorityMotif 15 points 1 month ago

The thought of administering windows server is vomitous.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

For sure, if you need paid support (which if you aren't a tech giant, a fledgling startup, or a system with no need for uptime metrics, you probally do) the you have:

  • SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (aka SLES and only still Libre option in this category unfortunately)
  • Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
  • Ubuntu are

if don't need paid support then Debian, OpenSuse, Rocky, or Fedora are all good picks.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL 25 points 1 month ago

Stop resisting!!

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[-] [email protected] 123 points 1 month ago

That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[-] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago

That is fucked.

I'm already starting to transition to full Linux on my devices with the arrival of Windows 11 and Windows 10 reaching end of life in October next year. I never thought I'd see the day of this happening.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

oh god, win10's dying next year?

i really need to transition the rest of my shit to Linux soon

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago

ok sure, most servers are already running linux for a good reason.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

The install size is just 8KB. Could it just be a link to open Edge?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

The icon itself is probably more than 8kb. It's either incorrect or literally just a desktop URL shortcut

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

Is "copilot" the new slang for "back door"?

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Man... Anybody remember "Back Orifice"? The late nineties were weird.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

In the spirit of these kinds of changes, I'd love to hear some honest Linux distribution recommendations. I'm leaning towards Ubuntu because it is the most widely advertised and UX focused from my perspective. But I've also heard good things about Arch. Any others I should be considering?

I'll probably not go full Linux any time soon - I want at least one Windows OS to play games on - so whatever option it should be dual-boot friendly.

[-] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago

You’ve heard good things about arch solely because you’re on Lemmy. Using arch means you’ll be dedicating about 50% of your working time towards tinkering and making it fucking work, which is fun don’t get me wrong- unless you have actual work to do.

Ubuntu is solid but a little sluggish, I’m personally an advocate for Mint as far as something you can drop a windows users in and they’ll generally figure it out.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Seems like the general consensus in this section is Mint, so I'll give that a look over for sure

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I don’t get this. For each of my devices running arch, the only tinkering I’ve encountered were for nitpicky customizations I wanted, which I have to do on another distro. After the arch installation completes it’s given me a fully functional desktop

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Linux Mint. That's always the answer. It's lightweight, it's simple, it's easy, it does what you need. Even gaming. SomeOrdinaryGamers did a vidso on YT about installing it, it's pretty easy!

[-] frankgrimeszz 12 points 1 month ago

PopOS too. Extremely easy to set up, ready to go.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Given that this is in a thread about Microsoft Server, I'd recommend using Debian as the distribution to replace Microsoft Server.

If you want a desktop, I'd start with a LiveCD version and familiarise yourself with the various available distributions on offer.

The intent of a LiveCD is essentially to boot into Linux without modifying your hard-disk and keeping your existing OS unchanged.

I'll note that many of these images are available for DVD or USB. Some will offer a mechanism to store data on your existing drive without wiping anything.

With USB drives being fast and cheap, you can also often use a LiveCD to install onto an external drive.

Finally, you can install a virtual machine on your computer and use it to run your Linux tests.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Are you looking for a Windows, server, replacement or desktop replacement? Your experience will differ depending on which one you're trying to replace.

For instance, if you're trying to replace Windows active directory services with a single Linux server, might have a bad time. I'm in the process of migrating from AD to FreeIPA, PowerDNS, and isc-dhcp (or something similar for DHCP).

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I wouldn’t recommend arch as a first distro imo. I don’t see what the advantage would be for a newbie.

Personally I would recommend Fedora.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

"Dual boot friendly" means installing Linux on its own hard drive, just so you know. If you don't do that, it's likely the next Windows update will screw up the Linux bootloader. Maybe that's gotten better, but it's what I'd recommended from past experience.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

For a distro that just works, Linux Mint.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

In the spirit of these kinds of changes, I’d love to hear some honest Linux distribution recommendations. I’m leaning towards Ubuntu because it is the most widely advertised and UX focused from my perspective. But I’ve also heard good things about Arch. Any others I should be considering?

Depends on your needs and preferences. If you want an easy Linux distribution Linux Mint is a good choice. Arch Linux is indeed good but default Arch is not that suitable for new Linux users unless you're willing to read documentation. You can go for Garuda or EndeavourOS to have Arch with easy installers and GUI.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

AI assistance for server maintenance? Uh-oh.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Can't see this going wrong.

"Hey Copilot, make me a domain admin"

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Install Linux on your desktops. If you have windows servers then what the hell are you doing anyway? Dump Microsoft

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[-] CriticalMiss 22 points 1 month ago

This is exactly what I needed in my servers. An AI assistant to help me.. do what exactly?

[-] chiliedogg 34 points 1 month ago

Data-mine the information you intentionally did not put on the cloud.

[-] olutukko 22 points 1 month ago

To configure your active directories and stuff. Wouldn't it be great to automatize everything to the point that when something breaks you have no idea what to do because you have no idea what is done and where

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

Why does every mention or discussion of any annoyance in Windows immediately turn into a "install Linux" thread on here?

Sure, Linux might solve the immediate problem for the affected individual (and probably introduce a bunch of new ones as Linux isn't always as easy to use as advocates try to convince people it is) but it doesn't solve the larger issue - Microsoft needs to be held accountable for horrible design decisions and anti-consumerist practices.

Not everyone can, or will, switch to Linux. No matter how hard people champion that cause. And even if they do, it's a process that will take time. In the immediate, lots of people stand to benefit from Microsoft not pulling this sort of bs, and it's entirely justified to complain about it to make them walk back this decision.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Get rid of that crap, I and I'm not talking about Copilot.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

If you have to use Windows Server (or other Windows), install the hellzerg Optimizer

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

This stuff always makes me laugh. Firstly, yes absolutely, Microsoft shouldn’t do this sort of crap. But more importantly, the person complaining about it here is shouting out for the world to hear “I don’t know how to manage Windows servers properly!”. There is one single group policy setting that stops this from happening. A single, set-and-forget GPO. Anyone managing Windows environments that isn’t aware of this, shouldn’t be managing Windows environments.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

This is a ridiculous statement. Copilot should be opt-in, not opt-out and the setting is new.

Perfectly reasonable by the sysadmin to not have that already set.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

There are 5 million ways to configure windows and each have an absurd and almost by-design level of convolution. You can't possibly expect people to know about a new GPO immediately

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Let me see if I understand your logic. Microshit decides to push something sneakily on servers, and the OP mentions that he just found out about it, and never once does he mention that he doesn't know what to do about it, but and you assume he doesn't know, but and choose to blast him over your assumption.

Did I miss something?

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[-] werefreeatlast 15 points 1 month ago

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[-] aradar1979 10 points 1 month ago

As a student and programmer, I just installed debian few years ago and never thought about why I did that and why I haven't returned to windows. For advance and light users linux is amazing with all these web based applications.

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