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[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (9 children)

i don’t personally love seeing antinatalism stuff on my feed especially since it tends to attract really nasty proto-eugenics types

can we not, or at the bare minimum mark this nsfw?

[–] TheBat 35 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I don't want to continue my bloodline because of looming threat of climate change.

And also cause I'm ugly and have self-esteem issues.

What's eugenics gotta do with it?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

/gen is this sarcasm or are you not aware that you answered your question with your second sentence :(

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Seriously I've never seen it discussed as a eugenics thing. Ive certainly seen it in population control discussions (obviously) but normally childfree and antinatalist discussion is focused on the self

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Curious about your age and social group. Pretty much everyone I associate with doesn't want to have kids, usually citing the world their children would inherit. These definitely aren't the type of people that support eugenics, in any way. Are you of the belief that we should be increasing the world's population? If so, why?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Yeah I have no idea why this person is on about. Antinatalism has literally nothing to do with eugenics. It's all about saying "fuck you I'm not going to make more cogs for the machine."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I'll be honest it was a huge question that hung over my wife and I when we were trying to decide whether to have kids or not. But we were in our mid 30s and it was a 'now or never' type situation.

Believe it not there is positives in raising kids. We're definitely not judgemental of people who decide they don't want to. But I love my kids more than I knew it was possible. And we're trying to raise them with an understanding of the world that's a bit broader than the ra-ra pro-capital values we were taught as kids.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i just have a feeling raising kids will get harder and harder, because the economy is getting worse and more unequal. even factoring out climate change, its expensive to afford even my own survival.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Or, you know, fight to see the system change hopefully within your lifetime and provide a better future for the generations to come. Because they will come, no matter whether you personally have kids or not. Your procreation choices are entirely up to you.

Yes, you are not responsible that someone else fucked up. That masses of people fucked up. You are not responsible to clean up the mess it caused. But, you know, you can still help.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like something the people on top would say to ensure I work more hours.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

laughs in unemployment

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Until I saw thia message, I entirely thought that this post was suggesting using a condom to choke oneself to death.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] MashedTech 27 points 7 months ago

Exactly how it should be.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

Getting a vasectomy is the biggest possible middle finger I could have hoisted to the parasite class

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Vasectomy 🎉❤️🐇😘

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

For The Win.

Cost 650 dollars and saved tens of thousands.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Tubes tied 4 years ago

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Sorry - genuinely don’t understand this one. What’s the connection? No kids means… no future workers?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (17 children)

no kids means no slaves means no slavery

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think it’s more like, can’t take advantage of me if I’m not born. It’s a little odd to me as well.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

I got more of a, "You can't continue to take advantage of us if we don't have anymore children and kill off your workforce through gained apathy to our future." Kinda vibe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It helps if you look at it from the perspective of the capitalist class. Workers are a form of free capital. Capitalists don't have to assume any of the burdens involved in creating life, raising a child, acculturating them to social standards that make them suitable workers, etc. They don't even have to pay for the education or training that makes them capable as human capital in various industrial contexts.

All those costs are dumped onto the working classes, not just as parents (usually the woman) who are expected to deliver a baby, nurse the baby, raise the resulting child until they are the age of the majority all without any wages, access to benefits like retirement plans or health insurance, etc. but also onto taxpayers who subsidize the rest of the costs outside of the home such as their schooling and transportation to the schools.

There is a huge leverage here that the working class does not take by organizing the production of themselves. If we all agreed to not have children and demanded fair compensation for any new production of human capital, society would be much more just and the capitalist class would have less room to exploit us.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

No future workers. No future consumers (including being bent over a barrel for essential goods). No future taxpayers. No future people to fight their wars.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

safe sex is the best sex I don't care about that "it feels bad" crap you get to fuck someone else what else do you want? A cookie?

[–] Captain_Buddha 22 points 7 months ago

I mean... a cookie WOULD be nice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I disagree, I prefer bareback. But I also only have sex with someone once we're dating and exclusive, and we both get tested. Also my tubes are tied.

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[–] Bunnylux 10 points 7 months ago

❤️antinatalism❤️

[–] Asclepiaz 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fuck yeah. I got fixed a few years after the ACA (Obamacare) was enacted. Prior to the ACA almost no providers covered voluntary sterilization, or there were difficult hoops to jump. Now I make a point to scream to all my ladies in the states, your health insurance is absolutely REQUIRED to provide coverage for female sterilization.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

While this is noble of you, it is absolutely harder to get a hysterectomy than a vasectomy. Not because insurance won’t cover it, but because many doctors won’t do it unless you’ve had kids, or a husband’s “permission”, or are older.

[–] Asclepiaz 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I hear you, I live in the PNW and it still took me three obgyns before a doctor would finally approve. At the time I was a child free never pregnant 22 year old,. The doctor still required that I write a letter stating I understand it's irreversible. Still pretty condescending imo. You aren't wrong, it's hard and depending where you are in the us impossible to access humane women's healthcare.

But you are wrong to assume women seeking sterilizations all get hysterectomies. There are at least a handful of options, I got Essure but I think that it's no longer on the market. I walked out of my appointment, still more of an ordeal for ladies but not necessarily as dramatic as a hysterectomy.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tf?

I mean I don't want any kids, but what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Eugenics for poor people?

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