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[–] AbouBenAdhem 311 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Pope Francis: ”Today the ugliest danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences ... Erasing differences is erasing humanity.”

St. Paul: ”There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Jesus Christ.”

[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Came here looking for someone to have quoted this. I quote it to bigots all the time and it straight pisses them off.

[–] ninjabard 35 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I used it in a wedding between two men that I officiated.

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[–] feedum_sneedson 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Tell that to a slave, but I get the sentiment.

[–] nogooduser 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s a message of how things should be, not how things are.

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[–] [email protected] 168 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Gender ideology, which seeks to blur differences between men and women through movements such as transgenderism, “makes everything the same,” Francis said.

No mate, your paedophile organisation is an actual danger, genocide in the name of religion is a danger, Christianity is a danger.

Trans people are not a danger. Non-binary people are not a danger.

[–] SinningStromgald 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

How will the priests, bishops, cardinals etc. know who to molest if they can't tell the boys from girls? And then what if they can't? They just STOP molesting people? Then what? Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Many many years ago, I saw a doco during a high school health class. It had stuff about gender identity, and included an interview from the 80's with George Pell. He was ranting about how fashion these days was too androgynous, and you couldn't tell the girls from the boys.

That was the first I ever heard from that man, and immediately disliked him.

Interesting to see where he ended up.

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[–] Furbag 105 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trans people are the biggest issue right now, says group with a paedophile problem.

[–] Fungah 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Imo ",the trans issue" is cut and dry. Be who you want, do what you want. Doesn't affect me, or anyone else.

I'm starting to take an issue with everyone who isn't trans though, and how weirdly obsessive and angry everyone iand their mother is about an issue that doesn't affect a vast majority of the population.

I get that people can care about more than one issue at once. But wage inequality, homelessness, war, genocide,declining standards of living, student loans - there are so many issues that deserve our collective consideration and action on more.

It's a non issue. What other people do to themselves and how they present themselves is their business. Its not that these issues don't matter, they do, but we have bigger fish to fry and while I'm personally glad to see such a widespread desire to advance causes like this I can't help but feel like the time so many people spend bickering online about it is time that could be better spent offline doing things that would advance these causes anyway.

And it doesn't help that the time spent bickering isn't even productive. It's just people who already agree withe sch otherr aggressively reinforcing each others,' beliefs to the point of militancy.

I'm not allowed to have opinions on the subject, and I largely don't because it really doesn't affect me snd I'm already in support of people being able to live how they choose anyway, but I'm bombarded with posts about the issue wherever I go, and I'm ju#t so fatigued by how little it matters on the grand scale of things, while being sensitive to how it can be the most important things of the world to some people.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm upvoting this, not because I agree with it, but because it is relevant for this community. Like it or not (and I certainly don't), the Catholic Church has massive global power. Knowing where they stand on this issue is important, especially since this Pope, seemingly, has been trying to appear more progressive.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Huh. Fascism is on the rise everywhere. The planet is being destroyed by greedy billionaires. People are struggling to pay for food. There are wars and genocides. But he thinks the ugliest danger is "gender ideology", whatever that is.

And he says it erases differences. If "gender ideology" is being a non-bigot about gender, then that respects differences. What erases differences is forcing everyone to conform to only two set gender stereotypes.

It's saddening that dogma prevents him seeing how dramatically advances in understanding and respect for gender have improved so many people's lives. And it's disappointing to see him align himself and his church with forces of oppression.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Catholic church expressed clear support for Hitler's Nazi party. It's almost like shitbirds of a feather flock together to oppress minorities.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Mussolini made the Vatican a theocratic nation-state. It is baked into the cake.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 88 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (17 children)

Our planet becoming nearly uninhabitable or uninhabitable with millions if not billions of people dying seems like a bigger problem. But then again spreading hate about the LGBTQ+ is more important to the spokesperson for 'god'.

[–] fidodo 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Climate change

Rising fascism

War and genocide

Growing inequality

Consolidation of power through AI and automation

I guess none of those things worry the Pope.

[–] abracaDavid 17 points 4 months ago

But how can you sleep at night knowing that there are people living their lives in a way that doesn't affect anyone else!

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[–] Leviathan 78 points 4 months ago

Thank goodness! I was starting to like the head of the Catholic Church for a second there. That's better! No hate like Christian love, Frankie.

[–] Sterile_Technique 67 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Today the ugliest danger is ~~gender ideology~~ religion.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

“It is very important that there is this meeting, this meeting between men and women, because today the ugliest danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences,” the pope said during an audience with members of the French-based academic organization Research and Anthropology of Vocations Institute (CRAV).

Gender ideology, which seeks to blur differences between men and women through movements such as transgenderism, “makes everything the same"

I mean...isn't this a good thing? Why the fuck do men have to hold doors open for women, specifically? Why are women supposed to be the stay at home parents? Equality seems pretty fucking good tbh. I mean, good lord, men have nipples and that line on the scrotum because we start out as women while in development. The proto-ovaries descend to become testicles. We have some hormonal differences and some brain development differences, but we truly are not that different. Being seen as equals should be a thing we strive for. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who you fuck or what privates you have. We all only have one life on this planet, make the most of it. And be nice to other people while on this place.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Sure, it's a good thing for people for whom these differences represent disadvantages. The Catholic Church, however, is a historical beneficiary (and cause) of the oppression of women, so blurring the line threatens that disadvantage.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's RIGHT! GENDER IDEOLOGY is the Ugliest Danger! Says the man who Protects Child Abusers!

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 57 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Said the leader of pedophile mafia.

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[–] captainlezbian 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

The world is on fire, fascism is rising, and your god is dead.

ETA: I actually personally left the Catholic Church over their stance on trans people. I had had other issues for a long time, and was firmly pro abortion, gay marriage, and female priesthood, but those were things I thought I might see them come around on. But then I got to trying to figure out why I was so damn miserable. Long story of self discovery later I learned I’m trans and that the psychological agony I’d been in my entire pubescent life was gender dysphoria and that’s why nothing was fixing it. The Catholic Church’s stance was that I either accept easily curable pain for the rest of my life that has little downside or a loving god will punish me forever when I die. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I took a year off of Christianity to cleanse my palate as I transitioned expecting to go episcopal or Quaker and wound up atheist -> pagan with an understanding that I will choose gods by their morality rather than choosing my morality by my gods.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Aren't there multiple genocides going on right now?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, genocide is nowhere near as bad as a man wearing a dress or something.

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[–] anon987 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Schizophrenic man that hears voices tells his cultists no body mods.

Better title.

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[–] AstridWipenaugh 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The pope did not read the full address, instead delegating the task to Monsignor Filippo Ciampanelli. “I still have a cold and it’s tiring to read for a while,” the pope said to the participants assembled at the Vatican.

Where's your god now? Can't even give his #1 on earth the strength to mumble his message of hate. Fucking losers.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 35 points 4 months ago

He said while wearing a beadazzled cloak, long skirt, and ballet flats.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Religion is a poison. Why can't they just let people be

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago

Fuck the catholic church, tax the fuckers into non-existence.

[–] Siegfried 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The pope sometimes reminds me of that lawyer representing zoidberg in the earth's flag case

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

“It is very important that there is this meeting, this meeting between men and women, because today the ugliest danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences,” the pope said during an audience with members of the French-based academic organization Research and Anthropology of Vocations Institute (CRAV).

He's demanding that everyone conform to his narrow worldview... in the name of preserving our differences?

That's some impressive mental gymnastics, even for a Pope.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 23 points 4 months ago

Counter argument: Your organization raped thousands of kids repeatedly and covered it up repeatedly for decades, probably hundreds of years. Never mind all the other horrible shit the Catholic church has done, so uh, fuck off and leave trans people alone? Their lives are hard enough without your bullshit.

[–] Veneroso 16 points 4 months ago

Welp so much for the woke pope. Literally blaming your problems on the minority of a minority.

Human suffering in Palestine?
Ukraine? Africa? Global warming? The rise of fascism?

Nah, better go after personal freedoms.

[–] NineMileTower 14 points 4 months ago

Transgendered people are an abomination, but fuckin a kid? Now, well, that’s just god’s will.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Leader of millennias old pedophile ring says people changing their birth-assigned gender is dangerous

[–] A_Random_Idiot 14 points 4 months ago

"You are as god made you"

"No no no, not like that, I mean white and cis"

[–] Crow 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ve been waiting for him to to do something like this. It was too good to have a pope that didn’t seem evil.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Focusing the Friday morning address on the “anthropological crisis and the necessary promotion of human and Christian vocations,” Pope Francis said this task is challenged by myriad social challenges arising from the cultural zeitgeist, including gender ideology.

Highlighting the anthropological angle of the conference, the pope pointed to “an elementary and fundamental truth, which today we need to rediscover in all its beauty: The life of the human being is a vocation.”

The pope emphasized that this is a foundational element “which underlies every call within the community” and “has to do with an essential characteristic of the human being as such.”

What the fuck does this even mean?

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[–] taanegl 12 points 4 months ago

The prince of PDF files should pipe down

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