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[–] NegativeLookBehind 132 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Republicans 40 years ago: Fuck Russia

Republicans now: I’d blow Putin if he was standing in front of me

[–] someguy3 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

1984 levels of turnaround.

[–] Speculater 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When I called out my father for his love of Putin versus his love of Reagan, he said he was wrong in the past and had to relearn a lot recently... Oceania has always been our ally.

[–] someguy3 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Speculater 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The irony is that he accuses the media of being the thought police, he knows pieces of the story, but I'm pretty certain he's never read an entire book in his life.

[–] someguy3 7 points 9 months ago

When I read it, it was quite different than I thought it would be based on common portrayal.

[–] psycho_driver 2 points 9 months ago

If I remember correctly it's free on Audible for those more able to spend the time listening vs. reading.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 7 points 9 months ago

Republicans now: Our NATO Allies suck! Attack them! I don't care!

[–] cogman 73 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Man, I remember laughing at Romney in his presidential run when he said Russia was over the greatest global threats. Boy was he on point.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He was by accident. What Romney and Obama were talking about during the debate was an interview Mitt had given prior.

In that interview he was talking about going all Reagan like with being antagonistic to Russia and Iran. His view on foreign policy was Obama should be gearing up for war. Building more boats, tanks, bombs to out spend enemies like Ronnie did. Negotiating with Iran was a waste of time. Let's just bomb people kinda stuff.

Which was stupid. It was usual tough guy GOP foreign policy junk. When at the time soft power was working just fine. And even the EU felt Medvedev was being a reasonable partner. Romney was even specifically trying to twist Obama's hot mic comments to Medvedev about negotiating after the election as selling out America.

In 2012 soft power and talking out differences was getting somewhere. Which is why Romney was roundly lambasted for acting like the US should preemptively go back to Cold War style of dealing with adversaries. That approach would have guaranteed the kind of response that has happened for different reasons.

Additional tl;dr summary thought. Obama was already in the war time President role. Romney attempting to look tougher, staked out a ludicrous position. Including claiming the US should be spending 4% of GDP on the military.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even the people we don't like are sometimes right about something.

Trump got ridiculed for critizising Germany for being too reliant on Russian energy.

[–] whereisk 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Trump's mouth is both like the broken clock analogy and like the proverbial 10,000 monkeys with the typewriter.

He also continuously parrots the last thing he heard.

At that point he was getting presidential briefings and folders of intelligence from the 3 letter agencies when he was visiting other countries, and his top advisers about concerns he should raise with his counterpart.

He just parroted something that put his host down publicly both because it made him look smug, because he's a brute and a sexist and because he didn't like her.

The content may have been true but that's no way to conduct international relations with a close ally.

These concerns are raised in private, unless your intent is to torpedo the alliance - but at the same meeting he told them the us will not come to their aid if Russia attacked, so that's what it was.

[–] carl_dungeon 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It’s a sad fucking Day when I agree with something god Damn mitt Romney has to say

[–] Smallwater 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Didn't he also join the BLM protest a while back? IIRC he has a African-American daughter in-law (and grandkids).

[–] madcaesar 2 points 9 months ago

That explains it. Republicans usually don't give a shit unless it affects them

[–] Sterile_Technique 4 points 9 months ago

Broken clock spiel. He's still a piece of shit.

[–] PeckerBrown 5 points 9 months ago

But the GOP loves bending over!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ok, but Mitt was known for one thing when he ran against Obama: that he was a bullshitting flip flopper.

He might be right but it has nothing to do with what he believes.