I love that they claim that they're stopping women from being sexually assaulted by a man wearing a dress and going into the women's room... as if bathrooms are so closely monitored that a man in standard men's clothing couldn't just slip into one if he wanted. I mean he could wear a janitor uniform if he was worried about it.
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Also, they always seem to forget that if you force trans people to use the restroom for their agab, you're also forcing trans men into women's restrooms. So now instead of having women they want to pretend are men in the women's restroom you now have actual men in the women's restroom.
(But also gendered restrooms are just dumb everyone would be so much better off without them)
It's about making being trans an obvious thing, making life for them more dangerous. It's not about anything else they say out loud.
If it’s a code brown and the mens/womens room is closed who wouldn’t use the other bathroom?
Code either. I've used the women's room when I've had to pee and couldn't hold it in.
I believe the civilian term is; "When you gotta go, you gotta go."
I wouldn't be surprised if it is worded in a way that would make it illegal for janitors who are men to be breaking the law if they enter a woman's bathroom.
I give you the party of "small government".
Hey, they're making it just small enough to fit between your legs.
Utah joins 10 other states in declaring themselves shit-holes no one should think about visiting.
It's unfortunate that the most gorgeous state in the union was settled by religious fuckwads.
...most gorgeous state in the union...
I guess beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder. Utah has a certain stark appeal to it I can see, but the sheer lush greenery of my native Oregon always wins me over.
I mean my beloved Colorado is far from ugly but Utah (or, well, Moab which is the only part I have seen in person so far) is fucking amazing to see. But I also think Arizona is gorgeous. Wyoming too. At some point it isn't a contest it's just, "these states are fucking amazing, holy shit."
Anyway it sucks Utah is overrun with zealots.
Utah has plenty of green-space you just need to climb a mountain to get to it. It's perfect. It's also not raining 75% of the time.
Mountains are fine, no complaint there... but my counterpoint would be that to reach a lush, green area, I can basically just step outside my front door.
You're not wrong about the rain, though.
Everywhere I've lived, and I've lived in quite a few places, has paled in comparison to Anchorage, AK.
As someone currently striving to move out of Utah, I can confirm this.
The underlying argument is so laughable to me. The whole "but men will disguise themselves to access women's bathrooms and grope and rape freely. Yeah sure, the guy who wanted to do some serious sex crime walks up to the bathroom and goes "Oh No, A wOmAn SiGN oNlY, dAnG iT, nO rApE tOdAy"... Even if there was some sort of bathroom rape epidemic, your solution is like trying to stop a bank robber from escaping through the backyard by putting a "no trespassing " sign up on the back lawn, you muppets.
Could've worked on tackling climate change, inflation, homelessness, (some form of) European style health care, labour rights, or expand public transit, but they choose to discriminate against transgender people for zero gain.
Why are the United States so wird?
And how do you even enforce such a law effectively?
Many people have very good passing, and there have already been (self video-) recorded cases of cisgender people getting "accused" of being trans by some transphobe.
No one even wants these laws, at least most people don't.
And why is the headline so non-judgemental? "Regulates" isn't a good fit for tyranny imo.
These laws create an environment where bigots are empowered to point the finger and harass people with the veneer of civic duty. Bigots and shit heels want these laws, and red states seem full of them.
Why so weird? I guess a long history of religious zealotry, bigotry, slavery, etc. going back to the very beginning--the initial invasion by British colonists in the late 16th C. Apparently that kind of culture takes more than 500 years to overcome.
I'll say it again, make ALL bathrooms genderless and non-communal. Individual rooms, walls floor to ceiling, complete with lockable door for each toilet. This saves us from soooo many other issues aside from this "debate."
France - Eh, we only ave ze one toilet anyway. You must be stupeed
This is such a non-issue that they are trying to make into an issue, most restrooms should be gender-neutral anyways because who the fuck just trying to check out other people in the bathroom, people just want to get in and get out and the gender of the other people in there makes no difference to me.
Gender neutral private bathrooms? Sure Gender neutral community bathrooms? I'm a little uneasy. As a small female, the thought of being in a semi-private area with just any guy gives me the chills. Trans people can share my bathroom, but I'd rather keep the other dudes away please.
"other dudes" lol
For those curious:
At least 10 other states — Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, North Dakota, Oklahoma and Tennessee — have passed laws that seek to regulate which bathrooms trans people can use, and nine states regulate the bathrooms that trans students can use at school. West Virginia’s Legislature is considering a transgender bathroom bill for students this year.
In good news though:
The Utah bill requires any new government buildings to include single-occupant bathrooms and asks that the state consider adding more of the bathrooms to increase privacy protections in existing government buildings.
Yay! This actually eliminates the whole issue, and you get actual privacy unlike a normal public bathroom!
It did not provide any funding for such upgrades.
Facepalm....Nevermind.
Glad to know they are focusing their attention on such important stuff.
Do have to wonder (well not really it's going to be horrendous) what these people's response to a transman using a woman's toilet would be.
The Legislation is designed to make being trans more dangerous in public. Any other given reason is a lie.
Trans men entering a women's restroom is dangerous. My brother can attest to that.
They don't think about it.
Getting attacked or forcibly ejected from women's bathrooms where they already feel desperately exposed make a lot of trans guys so gun shy from amalgamated bad experiences that they develop bladder and intestinal problems from refusing to go and tend to retreat from public entirely due to general anxiety. Some of pro move one can adopt to combat this is basically never going out without a female chaperone who can vouch for you...
But it's still a severe restriction of your general comfort going out of your house for more than a couple of hours at a time.
End result is you basically rarely see trans men in public bathrooms so the bigots basically never are inconvenienced with considerations that they exist much less need consider the welfare of them.
How can a state afford to staff gender checkers at every bathroom?
There shouldn't be laws about who can use what bathroom. Just let people use the bathroom. It really has nothing to do with gender ideology. Just let people use the bathroom even if you reject transgender identities.
Mind the gap: https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/26620/why-do-public-toilets-in-the-us-have-large-gaps-no-privacy#26625 I care more about this than who's inside the WC :$
Why at birth? Why isn't it "this is the room for penises and this is the room for vaginas"? We only wanna stop creeps from invading the others. Wtf is this whole war on choice bs?
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Assigned sex and genitals aren't synonymous. Intersex is a thing. Also Güevedoces, the young "girls" (according to this genital-at-birth definition) in the Dominican Republic who go through male puberty, cause they're actually male genetically speaking
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Creeps aren't stopped by these laws, you twat, it's only about making being trans more obvious and more derided (see, a trans woman now needing to use the men's restroom and a trans man now needing to use the women's (which is likely to cause panic))
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Trans people aren't fucking creeps, they're just people. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Instead of listening to only right-wing weirdos, listen to the communities that are affected by your malicious actions. You might find some empathy rather than just more misplaced anger
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Most importantly, the "reason" for this legislation, men pretending to be women to gain access to the women's restroom, isn't a thing. It's a hypothetical and always has been. Meanwhile, real people are actually harmed by Legislation like this, not just thought people in your thought world