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when the woke librals 😔😔 (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by Jeom to c/lemmyshitpost

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[–] superduperenigma 68 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dear Liberals,

You claim to support equality and fairness, yet when I snap away half the life in the universe by giving everyone an equal and fair chance to dissolve into dust you travel through time to undo my actions.

Curious.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Captain America converts Thor to Christianity" could be very funny, actually.

[–] ChicoSuave 37 points 10 months ago

Thor would probably thinks he knows God or actually does and is mad that the guy owes him money or got credit for a bunch of shit he didn't do.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jeez this is awful.

[–] EdibleFriend 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah it's too bad. I refuse to believe this isn't intentional rage bait.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That shit is like flat earth. It started as a joke and everyone was in on it and then suddenly some morons went: wait, it all makes sense now.

[–] EdibleFriend 4 points 10 months ago

Didn't it literally start as people pointing out the flaws in anti-holocaust arguments?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Well, ya.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

So....every movie from the 80s?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Obligatory David Graeber reference via Pop Culture Detective: https://youtu.be/LpitmEnaYeU

The super hero genre is, by definition, reactionary. All Marvel movies are anti-woke, even the "woke" ones.

[+] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] Aqarius 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You sound like you find the very idea of reactionary immigrants or anti-nazis preposterous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think your question is answered word for word in the video, but tl;dr: yes, I think that a genre where those who wish to disrupt the social order are automatically cast as villains can only be constructed as progressive when the villain is literally Hitler. Obviously there's a lot more nuance in the video, but that's the gist of it.

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[–] Mirshe 2 points 10 months ago

I'll throw in Oliver Queen (Green Arrow), who literally threw his fortune and company down the drain because he couldn't square being a good person and a billionaire. Oh, and he also went and fought drug dealers, corrupt landlords, and racists in the 80s with Green Lantern specifically because the government wasn't doing anything substantial to stop those things.

Writers are to blame for superheroes supporting the status quo, not the genre.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, so this is all covered in that video. Spiderman is probably the closest to progressive listed. He's working class, he has trouble with cops, his family is poor. He's reactionary in the literal sense, because he takes action in response to super villains. He doesn't ever do anything proactively to make the world more just, he just responds to people trying to make it worse. Imagine if he robbed a bank and gave it to the poor or broke in to an ICE vehicle depot and disabled all their vehicles so they couldn't raid immigrants. By the standard construction of the genre, he'd automatically become a villain... And that's the point.

Subversions of the genre aside, It can be no better than liberalism. It's like Obama, being a black president who probably did more than any previous president to address mass incarceration while simultaneously ordering drone strikes against civilians, crushing Standing Rock and Occupy, and presiding over the largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in all the history leading up to it. In a lot of ways Obama was the most progressive US president... But liberalism limits the frame of operation. Just like the genre, the best you can do is virtue signaling without ever really challenging the status quo.

The Overton window for the super hero genre goes from (perhaps slightly left of) center to fascist. No matter how many identity labels or progressive situational elements you add, it's still a genre that's literally reactionary and therefore trends politically reactionary.

Again, this is all covered in the video. If you want to challenge your understanding of the world, great. If not, I'm not really going to keep paraphrasing a video that presents these ideas more effectively than I do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That was good.

Yeah hard to picture a multi billion dollar studio greenlighting a movie where Spiderman kills the 300 richest and redistributes their wealth, or Iron Man leads a worker revolution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

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[–] DigitalTraveler42 11 points 10 months ago

And if they did dumbass Right wingers would fall all over themselves to suck Marvel's dick after years of bitching about woke shit, because they would find the validation they so desperately seek.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Also known as the .....

Greatest Action Story Ever Told

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

erm, marvel if it was EPIC????

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Some day AI will bring this into reality for us in full. I'm looking forward to the poorly conceived knockoff films we'll undoubtedly endure.

[–] Duamerthrax 4 points 10 months ago

Or have a billionaire who's sitting on a clean energy solution just use it to punch people fight an environmentalist strawman. oh wait...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Very tangentially related but one of my favorite videos

[–] unreachable 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

meanwhile in the alternate universe

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Increbidle