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[–] [email protected] 141 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

I'm not going to say most Democrats aren't capitalists and in corporations' pockets. But one party got ACA passed and tried to get some student loan forgiveness passed. Along with a whole number of different laws passed for worker protections and similar over the last few years.

On the other hand, Republicans have Trump who tried to pass Schedule F for government workers which would have taken us back to the spoils system where Presidents hand out government appointments, jobs and ambassadorships as rewards for loyalty. FYI we got rid of this system after it directly caused President Garfield's assassination. That's just one of many anti-worker, anti-poor, and anti-people reforms the last Republican president tried to accomplish. We don't even need to touch the entire Republican party's fascination with stripped rights away from women and trans people.

Both sides is bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Ya know, they say the next bomb will be sent by a Democrat in office rather than a Republican."

"Damn, that makes my Genocide feel so much nicer. I hope they maybe legalize weed for them in another 4 election cycles."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Keeping you placated with those less than bare minimum gestures which, while helpful on a superficial level to some, don't actually change anything fundamental in the grand scheme of things, is exactly how liberals enable fascism.

Equating left and right wings as "both sides" is bullshit, but liberals aren't on the left, therefore pointing out that democrats and republicans serve the same system and people isn't "both sides" at all, it's a statement of demonstrable fact, however uncomfortable that might be - both parties exist to keep those with power and money with power and money, for that to happen, they have to keep you (never mind those exploited overseas, out of sight out of mind) poor and powerless.

For anyone willing to challenge their bias and comfort:

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://web.archive.org/web/20230803021951/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The ACA?

You mean RomneyCare?

The Republican plan Obama chose because they wouldn't vote against their own plan?

Oh and Biden is the reason we can't discharge student debt in bankruptcy. He personally helped pass that bill. So happy he tried and failed to undo his own mess. (Which was a half ass plan anyway instead of just making student loans discharchable in bankruptcy again.)

Yeah. Sure, Jan.

EDIT: Links of proof added.

[–] TotallynotJessica 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

And your alternative for this next election cycle is what exactly? Be crystal clear. What is the realistic outcome of not supporting Biden over any Republican? How would Trump or Nikki Hailey as president be better for the left than Biden?

Feelings about the past are important, but strategies for the future matter more. Biden has done shitty things, but the best Republican would be orders of magnitude worse. We can't expect bad people to get what they deserve because it usually isn't possible. The only achievable justice is the mitigation of future injustice. Cosmic punishment can only be delivered by a god, and attempts to enforce it will often lead us astray.

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[–] Bristlecone 65 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Centrist bullshit, the right loves this kind of shit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Useful idiots. They'll celebrate getting one over on the 'shitlibs' if Trump gets into office, because all they care about is having a Great Satan to oppose without having to worry about thinking too much. Who cares about many minorities will die in the process?

[–] federatingIsTooHard 6 points 11 months ago

Who cares about many minorities will die in the process?

lemmy is suffering from a lack of self awareness. I don't know how to fix it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not really. Most who hold this view are far left.

[–] TotallynotJessica 7 points 11 months ago (29 children)

It's still a stupid view based on frustration with the establishment rather than reality. Emotions being valid doesn't make a falsehood more correct. Republicans have never been worse and Democrats are better than they've been in decades.

The only coherent argument behind not voting for Biden is accelerationism. It's a morally bankrupt strategy that's unlikely to work, but at least it's a long term plan that thinks beyond cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Keep telling yourself this. Trump thanks you for getting out of the way.

[–] Daft_ish 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This meme is like farting and wafting it in the democrats general direction. Every one up in arms have gotten way too sensitive. Rightfully so when fascists are at the door but I'm telling you this meme is throwing a single feather at a woman wearing a pussy hat.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry but living under the pandemic and having a moron POTUS say "we don't need masks cuz lol bleach is the cure" is enough of a difference.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

Do you ever think we ended up with Trump as POTUS because nothing was ever done about idiot Bush and his literal war crimes?

To some of us, Democrats are enablers of the fascism of Republicans.

Why? Because of shit like not being willing to prosecute former Presidents for war crimes.

Our country not having the balls to send Bush and Cheney to the fucking Hague is part and parcel to why they won't do anything about Trumps unhinged criminal conspiracies.

The entire Democratic party folded over for Bush and Cheney, and people cooed like it was cute when Michelle Obama and Bush shared a piece of candy. Fucking sickening shit.

Just wait until they do the same media rehabilitation tour for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Neither party wants to prosecute war crimes because both are guilty of them. Military spending and diplomacy are completely unchanged in the case of either party being in power.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Agreed. Obama didn't just let it slide, he took office and immediately formally legalized nearly all the shady shit Bush was up to.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

When politicians are left to their own devices then there is no accountability. Voting doesn't hold them accountable but it does mitigate the damage. If you want accountability, then you organize and shut shit down.

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[–] Droggelbecher 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Haven't you got the memo? You shouldn't be criticizing anyone when the alternative is way worse. Don't you know not being as bad basically makes you perfect?

[–] fidodo 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's more than fine to criticize, but calling them the same is just plain incorrect.

[–] Droggelbecher 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They didn't though? The meme says they both kill the poor, which is just true

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

kill the poor vs try not to kill the poor but ultimately end up giving into republican bad faith arguments and compromise away life from some of the poor while making life marginally better for some of the white ones

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A better analogy (without the joke) would be Kill the Poor Vs. Kill Some of the Poor. Not that either is good but I'd rather save the half.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Not that either is good but I’d rather ~~save~~ kill the other half

Is also true, are you still comfortable?

The point being - why insist on and make excuses for continuing to play within the rules dictated to you by those in charge who will only ever let you choose one of the two options where many poor people die? Why are you people so fucking content with this charade and unwilling to think outside of the box literally designed to oppress you (or your neighbour, which seems acceptable to far too many)???

You (personally, and in general) really need to consider with yourselves why the option of "refuse to accept this bullshit and fight for a system where no poor are required to die" (E: not even for the benefit of society at large, but literally for the benefit of a couple of hundred individuals who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire) doesn't even cross your mind before you're willing to condemn half of your class to death (as long as it isn't you), while calling those of us who want to eat the rich (kill the few hundred with millions of peoples' blood on their hands who will refuse to give up their ill gotten power and money) "extremists"..

[–] SasquatchBanana 8 points 11 months ago (12 children)

What's with these takes on 196?

It isn't about killing the half and it is about saving. Trans people are the target of the GOP right now. Laws are being passed. If Trump or Desantis wins people are going to get lined up.

Let me ask now. Between the Dems and Republicans, in which administration and government control would trans people have a higher chance of survival, being free, allowed to actually transition and express themselves?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

ITT: "Your reasonable and verifiably accurate criticisms of the Democrats are nice and everything, but I typed 'both sides' with alternating caps and lowercase so I win. Go suck trump/Putin's cock."

[–] j4k3 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We have the blue tie rights, and the red tie jihadists running the Nazi playbook.

There is no center, there is no left, and there is no one immune to the feudal corruption of the billionaire oligarchy. You already own nothing. We are already serfs. A two party system is not a true democracy. Still, the theocracy must die.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean the explicit lyric law was pushed by Tipper Gore, Al Gore's at the time wife.

This is on point.

[–] Thcdenton 4 points 11 months ago

Post is perfectly balanced for maximum reeeee

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