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On the instance I'm using, my comments and posts have disappeared. It is ok?

I had a few helpful comments here that I saved, but it's all gone.

Having got used to the stability in Mastodon I was surprised by such things in Lemmy as:

Unable to log into your account through the app after an update on the server.

Unable to log into your account through the app if your instance version is out of date.

Just because you've created a post or written a comment doesn't mean other Lemmy users will see it.

I have to constantly check to see if my messages are visible on other instances.

You also need to have many sub-accounts on different instances in case some of the primary instances are unavailable.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I have wildly more patience for Lemmy's glitches than I do for Reddit's. Lemmy's devs are working on a shoestring budget with just a few people trying to prop up a whole social network. The project is still pretty early in its life cycle.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A lot of the mentioned issues are caused by instances having different versions.

This could be fixed with API versioning. As in you support the last couple versions of the API rather than only the new one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I believe this most recent update to v0.19 was somewhat unique in the regard of login incompatibility across versions, as major breaking changes to authentication itself were the focus of it.

[–] ChaosAD 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but take into account nobody was expecting reddit enshitificate so fast.

Before we get the massive exodus things were smooth.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Exactly. Those people are paid salaries. They have teams working on things. When something is allowed to go wrong, someone either didn’t do the job they’re paid for, or they’re incompetent/apathetic. They’re using proven software that’s been around a while.

When there’s a problem with a Lemmy instance, then maybe the one person responsible was at the job that actually pays their rent. They’re working with beta software that’s full of “surprises”.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Since your reply to the post for xarexyouxmadx is not visible from this instance, I will reply here.

We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren't the only ones.

Has this problem gone unresolved for a long time?
Right now, a similar issue with the instance lemmy.today

Also, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.

The first instance I was registered on doesn't exist anymore either. It was celeb.pizza

[–] grabyourmotherskeys 62 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a developer, I am absolutely amazed that any of this (all the software you are using, all of it) even works a little. So: no.

I independently came up with "federation" (as in thought of it but not exactly this, and was building on others work) as the basis for a masters thesis in the early 2000s but left the program to get a job so never saw it through.

So, no, I am not annoyed. I am amazed, grateful, impressed, and humbled but I am not annoyed.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Great take. Everything in the software world is held together with twine. It's a miracle that anything works. That's the only kind of miracle or magic that I believe in. As someone on a mailing list once said about networking, "it's two cans and some string."

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seems super stable to me, might be the client smoothing it out.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Could also be issues with their particular instance - particularly the "instance out of date" one.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yea I haven't noticed much

Boost for Lemmy & web app

The 0.19 update was special since it modified the auth stuff. But a quick log out and in was all I needed.

The comments not appearing on other instances is a fair point, but I imagine something similar happens on Mastodon as well

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've made the assessment that the growing pains are worth weathering, because Lemmy as a platform and wider community gives me much more joy than any big corpo platform I've ever tried.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nope, even a buggy, glitchy Lemmy is a head and shoulders better experience than any shitty corpo social media.

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[–] rockSlayer 15 points 10 months ago

Personally, every bug I've encountered has been because of my lemmy mobile client and not lemmy itself. This is remarkable to me, I work in QA and was expecting a lot more bugs when I joined

[–] xarexyouxmadx 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm on Lemmy.world & using the eternity app I haven't had any real issues yet but it's only been about 2 months for me since I started using this platform.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren't the only ones. I.e., I'd post or comment something and check from any other instance, and it was like I never posted/commented at all. Fortunately, it seems to have gotten fixed over Christmas Eve.

Also, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Man, what sort of psycho does a release on Xmas eve. I try and avoid doing at after 3pm haha

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm willing to put up with Lemmy's glitches. The vast majority of admins, mods, and developers are volunteers doing what they do (largely for free) simply because they think it's worth doing. If it were a product I paid for I would not be near as chill about it.

Lemmy was a fairly young project when everyone started piling in from Reddit. If the glitches you're experiencing bother you that badly, perhaps consider contributing to the project, the network or your homeserver. Open source projects work best when everyone contributes what they can, when they can and as they can.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

a little, but I’m dealing with it. 18 or so years ago, when reddit was new, it had a lot of bugs, was unstable, and would often go down for upgrades and maintenance.

although lemmy has been around for a few years, it hasn’t really been run or even tested as a serious platform until last summer when tens of thousands of new users flocked to it suddenly from reddit and both a bunch of new instances popped up and a bunch of new and rapid software releases brought a bunch of new features to handle the sudden growth. some growing pains are to be expected and, frankly, it’s all gone far more smoothly than I expected it would.

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[–] spittingimage 11 points 10 months ago

Not really.

If it was commercial software, I'd assume that some dick project manager forced a premature release. Fuck that guy.

Since it isn't, I just assume it's really hard to get everything right first try without a big QA team.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

no.

its ver 0.19, how can you hold something so obviously in development to such standards?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Not really, the benefits outweigh the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm self-hosting and it has been ridiculously smooth coupled with Voyager as my mobile app. Now I understand that a single user instance is a lot easier to handle than a multi-user one so I naturally don't have any experience or opinion on how Lemmy instances scale with users in terms of stability.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I took one passing look at how the thing is built, found out it's "basically all websockets for some reason", and stopped expecting it to work properly. Whenever it breaks I think "this is why you don't use websockets when you can just send a goddamn server side rendered web page or make an AJAX POST request" and I feel vindicated instead of annoyed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They phased out websockets a while back.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like your instance have federation issue, probably due to v0.19.0 updates. The latest version, v0.19.1, supposed to fix those federation issues. Not sure what's the server specs of your instance, but v0.19.x has increased database ram usage compared to previous versions, so if the instance is hosted on a tiny server, the admin may need to do some tinkering to make sure the federation process doesn't crash due to out-of-memory issue.

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[–] DougHolland 8 points 10 months ago

I am not annoyed by Lemmy's constant glitches. It adds to the charm of the place.

Lemmy is a volunteer effort. You want everything to run corporate-smooth, that's 'X' and TikTok and Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Don't know what you're talking about

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm on programming.dev and using boost and have only had a couple issues.

Occasional downtime.

I had a weird one where I had someone else's subscriptions and it gave a wrong user error every time I commented.

As for the apps. Unless they specifically code it to detect and handle the version it's going to break. Changes to the required input or the output between versions are going to break apps.

That's kind of the price you pay for running as a collection of instances and not a single one.

Overall it's been great. But it do keep an account on lemmy.world incase my one goes down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Looks like I'll have to get an account on one of the big instances like lemmy.world as they have less problems.

I also have the boost app installed which I use with the fanaticus.social instance. Today when I try to post a comment I get an error "Incorrect login".

That's kind of the price you pay for running as a collection of instances and not a single one.

Do similar problems exist in Mastodon and Misskey?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The app? There are many, many clients for Lemmy. Thunder is able to handle multiple versions and multiple accounts on multiple instances. This is a client API implementation limitation of whatever client you are using. Not Lemmy itself.

As for the federation issues, they are being worked out. Each major version has improved the internal server logic, improving the reliability of the inter-instance communication. But the changes have also come with kinks, that have had to be worked out with each sub-version update, before the team bites off on the next big improvement.

v19 introduced changes to how the federation queue works, and these are currently causing higher resource usage than before. Because of this, some instances seem to be falling behind on syncing federated content.

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[–] TrickDacy 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The main issue I've had is occasional slowness. Haven't seen the issues you are seeing.

[–] jacktherippah 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's lemmy.world having problems =)

[–] TrickDacy 5 points 10 months ago

Right. Yeah, it is a little frustrating. A few months ago it was way worse though. But hopefully they smooth things out over time. Beauty of the fediverse though is that if not, we can always switch instances

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only major annoyance I’ve encountered so far was the federation issues with 0.19. My instance recently upgraded and broke federation with instances like .world, so I’ve been shouting into a void with my comments on some instances.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We had that at Lemmy.today too, but the instance admin fixed it just now. Go read their announcements communitity what they did.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I'm annoyed by my instance basically shutting down after I was told that it really didn't matter where I registered my Lemmy account back when I moved from Reddit.

[–] Clbull 5 points 10 months ago

I mean Lemmy World was at one point really unstable but this was due to an influx of Reddit refugees, malicious DDOS attacks and at one point malicious actors flooding the instance with CSAM - a reason why the Lemmy Shitpost community temporarily shut its doors.

I've not noticed glitching recently. Reddit's official app is the unstable crock of shit if anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I've had fewer errors overall than I have Reddit, but your mileage is going to vary drastically based on your instance. I've briefly tried other instances, even fairly popular ones, and I'd describe the experience as nearly unusable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I've not experienced any of the issues you mention. Why do you have to check other instances to see if your comments are visible. Trust that they will be eventually.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Looking at you lemm.ee

No reply from instance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

No. This is incredibly complex software run by people with little or no budget. I’m grateful that it exists at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just because you’ve created a post or written a comment doesn’t mean other Lemmy users will see it.

I'm more annoyed that my instance presently reports a higher number of comments than what gets displayed (since moving to 19.0, I think). Sometimes, I can workaround that by changing the view, but often not. I wanna read what others have to contribute more than I care if they see what I say, but I was a lurker on the old site and I've never been on the mainstream socials.

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