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[–] Rapidcreek 194 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They're not arguing that he didn't do it.

Instead they're saying he shouldn't be held accountable for what he did.

Oh, and "let the voters decide." I'm old enough to remember 2020, when the voters did decide. Republicans didn't accept that either

[–] Ensign_Crab 56 points 11 months ago

Instead they’re saying he shouldn’t be held accountable for what he did.

Party of Personal Responsibility.

[–] FuglyDuck 33 points 11 months ago

Somebody here is salty that you pointed out that TRUMP IS A LOSER!

[–] jordanlund 18 points 11 months ago

Brooks Brothers Riot. Even our insurrections are less classy...

[–] jordanlund 117 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

She can pardon him on the federal charges all she wants, she can't do anything about the STATE charges which, lesse here... last time I checked... 47 felonies he can't be pardoned for.

Been a bit since I updated this one:

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 12/29/2023

Georgia
13 state felonies
Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
The judge in the case has set a deadline of December 1st for all motions to be filed, expect a trial date at some point after that.
Conviction
Sentencing

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - March 4th, 2024, one day before Super Tuesday primaries.
Jack Smith had requested that the Supreme Court immediately rule on Trump's immunity defense, the Court rejected the request, requiring it to go through the usual appeals process first.
Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. That trial date is currently set for January 15th, the same day as the Iowa caucus. and has now been determined to be for damages only as Trump was already found liable.

As a function of the January 6th and Georgia trials, there are now lawsuits in two states to bar Trump from the primary ballot based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.

Colorado:

12/19/23 - The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not eligible for the primary ballot due to being barred by the 14th Amendment as an insurrectionist.

Minnesota:

11/8/2023 - State Supreme Court denies challenge, allows ballot access.

A long-shot write in candidate for President has also filed suits seeking to bar Trump from the ballot in Florida, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

His cases in Arizona, California, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,  and West Virginia have been thrown out:

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-eligibility-challenge-in-arizona/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/12/17/john-anthony-castro-voluntarily-dismisses-his-california-anti-trump-ballot-access-lawsuit/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/10/12/john-anthony-castro-dismisses-his-idaho-lawsuit-on-trump-ballot-access/

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-donald-trump-ballot-lawsuit-dismiss/45682757

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/27/trump-keeps-right-to-be-on-presidential-ballot-in-ri/71720185007/

https://wvmetronews.com/2023/12/22/lawsuit-to-boot-trump-off-west-virginia-ballots-is-dismissed-because-plaintiff-lacks-standing/

[–] fluxion 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Definitely eternal emperor of America material, I will devote my life and remaining brain cells to this guy

[–] Hominine 12 points 11 months ago

Keep the brain cell, we just want the cash.

[–] Pretzilla 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Michigan recordings just released need their own section

[–] jordanlund 7 points 11 months ago

Waiting to see the legal action on it, there's a couple of ways it could go. He could get another grand jury in Michigan, he could get new charges in the January 6th case or this article suggests entirely new charges for Bribery:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/22/what-trump-has-to-fear-from-the-michigan-tape-00133115

Once there's a case to follow, I'll get it added!

[–] DoomBot5 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Time to update. Looks like Maine barred him and Minnesota threw it out.

[–] jordanlund 7 points 11 months ago

Maine barred him at the secretary of state level, it's going to get challenged. Waiting for the court ruling on that one, but yeah, I'll get Minnesota updated.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

She's literally saying that she will ignore the justice system and set a criminal free.

Please vote for me, I like criminals!

I still don't like this timeline

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[–] ilinamorato 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A president can't pardon state crimes. He'll still be serving sentences in Georgia and New York.

[–] eran_morad 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trump, Haley, and the rest of the republican traitor filth must be crushed under the heel of justice.

[–] riodoro1 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t you hear? Justice is long dead.

[–] Candelestine 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It grinds slow, but fine. Or so the saying goes. And when they say slow, they mean glacially.

This design is intentional to make it difficult to weaponize, which people did all the time through history. Don't mistake slow for stationary though. Glaciers do move, even if you can't see it if you sit there and stare at one.

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[–] crsu 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nimarata Nikki Randhawa will say and do anything for power. Even whitewash her culture.

[–] Kbobabob 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Nimrod Nikki has a nice ring

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[–] raynethackery 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why would you pardon him? Has he committed any crimes? /s

Seriously, you must think he committed crimes if you are going to pardon him.

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[–] eddanja 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When did the platform of being President of the United States of America become the ability to pardon individuals?

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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why is everyone acting like this is anything but pandering to the MAGA crowd? I don't like Haley one bit, but she is a legit threat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Should we campaign on a platform that strongly encourages our base while also teasing the other team and maybe developing policies that draw them in?

NO FUCK IT. HARD-LINE POLITICS AND HATE SPEECH FOR ALL!

Holy shit, i got a headache.

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[–] TheJims 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One thing is for sure, republicans DGAF about America, the Constitution, Democracy, Law and order and the Ten Commandments unless it benefits them at that particular moment. They have thrown it all out the window to benefit trump. They have shown us at every opportunity that they will lie, cheat, steal and kill to protect trump from justice.

[–] nomous 7 points 11 months ago

They were completely morally brankrupt decades ago it just took time for the shit to overflow the perverbial toilet.

[–] ghostdoggtv 33 points 11 months ago

She just rendered herself ineligible for office for the same reason Trump is ineligible for office. lmfao.

[–] rayyy 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Haley said it wasn't in the country's best interest "to have ~~an 80-year-old man~~ a criminal sitting in jail."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

Damn, didn't realize Nikki Haley was so soft on crime.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

So that’s a fucking problem…

[–] geekworking 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Does anyone actually think for a second that the next republican president, no matter who it is, wouldn't pardon him?

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[–] billwashere 19 points 11 months ago

Yep running for VP

[–] TheDarkKnight 18 points 11 months ago

“Tough on crime!”

[–] CosmicCleric 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And to her I would ask, "Do laws just truly not matter any more?".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why bother asking? She already told you they don't.

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[–] badaboomxx 11 points 11 months ago

Criminals defending other criminals.

[–] CharlesDarwin 8 points 11 months ago

Every single one in that fascist party now has to bend the knee to one of the worst public figures in America.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Ok, so she's also a traitor. Good to know.

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