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[–] [email protected] 269 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (165 children)

At least 22 dead and 60 wounded.

To all of you out there who want no gun control. This blood is on your hands. Screw you and your 2nd amendment "rights."

Edit: 18 dead, 13 wounded

[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (55 children)

Still waiting for the good guy with a gun they keep repeating

EDIT: OK everyone, yes he was the good guy with a gun. Thanks to everyone for pointing this out

[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Aka, good guy with a gun turned bad guy with a gun.

This crap will never end until the tools they use to kill are off the streets.

[–] Ensign_Crab 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor.

Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Which is the key problem. Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" and "good guy with a gun"...... until sometimes they suddenly aren't anymore. At which point your protection is what was person able to keep under normal circumstances aka what they had in their possession on the moment they had a mental snap.

Was it a semi-auto shoot as fast as your finger pulls rifle with potentially hundreds of rounds in quick swap magazines or do they have a manual action hunting rifle or shotgun with fixed magazine, that need to be manually reloaded.

Do they have a pistol with again potentially hundreds of rounds of quick reload ammunition or don't or maybe a target pistol with fixed magazine.

That is why places around the world have magazine and type restrictions, since they exactly know "checking backgrounds isn't fool proof and now amount of background checking helps again sudden newly emerging situation after the checks have been done".

Sure that 5 round moose hunting rifle will absolutely wreck say those 5 people, but one can't exactly run amock shooting around endlessly with moose rifle. Damage limitation. 5 dead people is better situation, than 22 dead people. As cold calculating as that is.

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[–] doppelgangmember 27 points 1 year ago

cough cough Uvalde cough

[–] Skullgrid 22 points 1 year ago

didn't come because his mother aborted him /s

[–] Dkarma 16 points 1 year ago

Yesterday the right said this WAS a good guy. Just let that sink in.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This guy is exactly the kind of person that the GOP considers a "good guy with a gun". He is a mentally ill veteran firearms instructor. Sounds like a boilerplate Trump supporter. Exactly who they want to have more guns.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Army vet and gun instructor... This was the good guy

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[–] jordanlund 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Predicting a failure in background checks here allowing him to get a gun:

Edit

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-maine-shooting-suspect-says-mental-health-deteriorated-rapidly-rcna122353

"The weapon believed to have been used in the attack was a sniper rifle with .308 caliber bullets, and it was purchased legally this year, officials said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lewiston-maine-shooting-robert-card-what-know-rcna122262

"Maine court records show that a man named Robert Card who was born on the same date as the person of interest was charged with speeding in 2001 and 2002. No other criminal records were listed in the state's electronic court records system or in several other public records databases."

But also:

"It added that law enforcement said Card 'recently reported mental health issues to include hearing voices and threats to shoot up the National Guard Base in Saco, ME.'

The bulletin said Card was reported to have been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks this summer and then released. NBC News has not been able to independently verify the bulletin's statements about Card's history."

In previous incidents, people committed to mental health facilities didn't have it turn up on their background check unless it was ordered by a judge. That needs to change.

I'm seeing varying reports that he was also convicted of domestic abuse, but this link shows no such charges.

[–] JustZ 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anyone hearing voices needs to have their guns immediately seized.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That would violate the 1st amendment right to religion.

[–] Riccosuave 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As the late great Christopher Hitchens once said (paraphrasing here):

When god hears you that's prayer. When you hear god that's mental illness.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 7 points 1 year ago

This is a common misconception.

If you talk to the imaginary being in the sky that is sane and you should be able to buy a tank or a machine gun.

If the imaginary being in the sky talks to you, you are a crazy person and should be limited to 6 rifles or less.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but since no further help will be forthcoming, who will admit to it?

[–] ours 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But my dog told me it was OK for me to keep a rifle.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Not very many people have argued that people who have actually made violent threats and been institutionalized should be buying guns.

[–] TechyDad 31 points 1 year ago

The 5th Circuit Court (with at least one judge appointed by Trump) has ruled that removing the guns from a violent domestic abuser violates his rights: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/09/guns-domestic-abuse-second-amendment/

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This guy was a firearms instructor. Literally a good guy with a gun turned into a bad guy with a gun.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The key point is that he was also recently institutionalized after making threats and SHOULD have had his guns seized, even under existing law.

[–] Bytemeister 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed, but we haven't been enforcing red flag laws consistently since people start bitching about "mah rites" whenever you try to disarm someone threatening to kill their ex-GF.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The referenced law isn't "red flag laws," those are something else in which simply reporting "my roomate or ex said bad things, proof? No why would I need that, take the guns first due process second, you heard Trump!"

Problem is, people do have rights, and as such before you can violate them you have to actually have a reason, like "them being involuntarily commited for hearing vioces and expressing homicidal ideation."

Red flag laws are written in such a way that your roomate can call them on you because he's mad you ate the last Oreo™, so the cops come and take your right to own guns after a secret hearing you weren't invited to, but it's ok because you will have the almost impossible opportunity to prove "nuh uh" in court 1 year after the date of arbitrary confiscation, unfortunately by then the cops may have already "destroyed" (read: stolen) the property they're now supposed to return so even if you do win that case: Oh well, no punishment for the cops, they can shoot innocent people with impunity, you think they'll get talked to for theft?

Of course that gets pushback, just like any other bad idea Trump supported (albeit from a different group in this case). Most people are however fine with the law we already have that could have prevented this, problem is people need to do their goddamn job and should have taken his shit/input his commital to NICs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Most of these laws, and most of the historic gun control in the US, is really intended to be used to keep guns from the "wrong sort" of people, and that means leftists and brown people generally. Crazy white guys were never the target of any prior firearms legislation or enforcement mechanism. That's really the core of the problem here.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What was his ratemyprofessor rating?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Gallows humor really does hit different when your 2 hours into doom scrolling lol

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[–] Bytemeister 10 points 1 year ago

True, but continuing to vote for representatives who refuse to have any conversation about gun control still makes them complicit in this behavior.

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