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Dear Admins of the Lemmy.world instance I am asking that you please consider defederating from the rammy.site instance as soon as possible as the admin is no where to be found and it has been taken over by right wing posters posting hateful messages. There are also other people posting large amounts of spam and creating empty communities. What was once a small hobby run general purpose instance has been turned over and made into a festering right wing hate filled breeding ground by the people from exploding-heads. The only recoarse left it seems is to defederate to prevent them from spreading hate to other instances.

PS. I already sent this message to multiple admins here, sorry about that I just felt it was urgent to make sure the message was sent before these people cause more damage.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 year ago (7 children)

To everyone who’s been telling OP off, claiming “free speech” and such: there’s still free speech. They can say whatever they want, but we don’t want to hear it. To correct myself: the majority of us don’t want to hear it. You have every right to convert instances if you disagree. Moderation is always going to be opinion-based; everyone has their own opinion of right and wrong.

So don’t talk about “free speech” and then wonder why you get downvoted into oblivion. We simply don’t want to have to deal with this nonsense. Keep in mind too that Lemmy doesn’t let you block an instance yet(AFAIK); it’s up to the instance admins. Just like a government, a user is going to pick the instance to best represent them. And just like a government, that instance will probably act in favor of the majority. So please just stop complaining. There is no plus to federating with rammy.site and frankly, we don’t need them.

[–] antik 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

They are not going to stop complaining. A lot of the folks that are on these instances that get blocked have alts or create new ones just to concern troll. It was obvious in this thread yesterday: "wow you defederated preemptively from hexbear but the obvious Anti-Trans right-wing instance stays? LW Admins must Nazi lovers and transphobes!" kind of posts. While in fact we were reaching out to the admin of rammy.site and having a talk/vote on how to proceed - even if it was obvious. This isn't a one-man show and this isn't a full time job it's a hobby so it can take a while for everyone to get his or her vote in.

One of these trolls was an admin of hexbear who was dumb enough to use their name in their email address..

Another hexbear user was angry because I didn't want to transfer a community over to her. She felt like she had the rights to [email protected] over the moderator who created it here on LW because she moderated the original community on reddit. She ask me to just hand it over to her and the reddit mods or rename the current existing one.. After I denied to do that - but proposing the be the middle-man in the talks with the current moderator - she started saying "the community will not like that and they will react to this".

So that's another thing to keep in mind. I just ignore it now and ban the accounts because there is no talking or being reasonable with these people.

Honestly those ultra right-wingers are pretty bad but the ultra left-wingers are worse. And as a lefty that is pretty sad to see. But I'm probably not left enough for those on hexbear and still "imperialistic scum".

The hexbear admin deleted most of their offense posts and then went on the Lemmy admin matrix chatroom saying how bad LW was to preemptively blocking hexbear, pretending to play nice. "It took them longer to defederate from exploding heads" so that must mean they are islamophobic, transphobic enablers."

As if it is not normal that you learn from your mistakes. Lemmy.World is less than 2 months old and we do what we think is best for this instance. We vote on these topics and then act. And we have no obligations to accept that kind of shitty behavior and have our users be confronted with it.

[–] assassin_aragorn 8 points 1 year ago

Just want to say, I really appreciate this. It's nice to see moderation/administration firmly put a foot down on right wing bullshit after seeing how much Reddit enabled it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I am one of those persons that mentioned the hexbear situation here. I was not concern trolling and I find it a bit harsh to lump everyone under this umbrella term this way.

The fact is, historically, many social media platforms have been quick to act against radical left speech but very slow (even complacent) to act against right wing extremism. Society as a whole is mostly like this. So yes, I do have concerns even though I understand this is all very new. No offence was meant by mentioning the previous situation, but it made sense to do it then, to my mind at least.

Thank you for your work moderating this platform.

[–] Wooki 3 points 1 year ago

Keep up the good work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you so much for your work moderating this instance, you and people like you are truly making lemmy a better place for all of us.

[–] tired_n_bored 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm gonna add that free speech is free speech as long as it's not used to threat and intimidate. Those people do not know what real free speech is.

[–] paraphrand 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

First time I read that, and it's brilliant! It describes perfectly what's happening.

If you came up with that on your own, congrats. If you read somewhere, thanks for sharing.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So don’t talk about “free speech” and then wonder why you get downvoted into oblivion.

Why? Because free speech! It's super ironic to see people claim to support free speech above all else including human decency, and then go "Edit: All of you downvoting can eat shit and die, Lemmy is just like Reddit!!" Like dude, by your own standard people have the right to also be mad at you. You can't say something like "free speech doesn't care about your feelings" and then complain that people hurt your feelings.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People yelling freeze peach actually want to be free of consequences for their shitty opinions

[–] Katana314 10 points 1 year ago

man it's not HER fault that bowser keeps kidnapping her

[–] chiliedogg 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the larger point is that hateful assholes are welcome to be hateful assholes online, but we aren't required to help them do it.

Their freedom of speech doesn't create an obligation for anyone to listen to them or grant them a platform.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly. Also, saying you're not allowed to exclude them from your spaces violates your freedom. Why should you be forced to interact with people who make you uncomfortable, especially in a social setting where everyone should find groups that they enjoy being with anyway?

[–] Hobo 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "free speech" argument to not defederating doesn't even hold water on lemmy. They still have their instance and are still allowed to say whatever the fuck they want. They're still federated with whoever is willing to put up with them. They just have to it away from everyone else, by themselves, hopefully into a void.

In my opinion the fact that things are federated is sort of one of the biggest advantages of, well, federation. You can curate your federation, and defederate from whatever shit show you want, without having to have a conversation about encroaching on someone's "free speech." Unfortunately people haven't quite figured that out yet because they're so used to the monolithic corporate run social media platforms. Maybe it'll start to catch on and we can put this tired conversation to rest.