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Dear Admins of the Lemmy.world instance I am asking that you please consider defederating from the rammy.site instance as soon as possible as the admin is no where to be found and it has been taken over by right wing posters posting hateful messages. There are also other people posting large amounts of spam and creating empty communities. What was once a small hobby run general purpose instance has been turned over and made into a festering right wing hate filled breeding ground by the people from exploding-heads. The only recoarse left it seems is to defederate to prevent them from spreading hate to other instances.

PS. I already sent this message to multiple admins here, sorry about that I just felt it was urgent to make sure the message was sent before these people cause more damage.

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[–] quinten 12 points 1 year ago

Meta post went out few hours ago.

[–] JoelJ 178 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I was skeptical of this claim so I went and had a look. Here's some of the posts I saw:

"Polar Ice Sheets are thicker than ever despite predictions that the Arctic and Antarctic would be ‘Ice free’"

"Leftist Parents “Flee” Florida Because Of New Laws Blocking Child Mutilation"

"It’s strange how you never see pedophiles, im sorry, drag queens reading to old people instead of kids"

So yeah some pretty insane takes there

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like the idea that Florida has introduced a progressive law. I think that's the most unrealistic claim of all.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 year ago (26 children)

To everyone who’s been telling OP off, claiming “free speech” and such: there’s still free speech. They can say whatever they want, but we don’t want to hear it. To correct myself: the majority of us don’t want to hear it. You have every right to convert instances if you disagree. Moderation is always going to be opinion-based; everyone has their own opinion of right and wrong.

So don’t talk about “free speech” and then wonder why you get downvoted into oblivion. We simply don’t want to have to deal with this nonsense. Keep in mind too that Lemmy doesn’t let you block an instance yet(AFAIK); it’s up to the instance admins. Just like a government, a user is going to pick the instance to best represent them. And just like a government, that instance will probably act in favor of the majority. So please just stop complaining. There is no plus to federating with rammy.site and frankly, we don’t need them.

[–] antik 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

They are not going to stop complaining. A lot of the folks that are on these instances that get blocked have alts or create new ones just to concern troll. It was obvious in this thread yesterday: "wow you defederated preemptively from hexbear but the obvious Anti-Trans right-wing instance stays? LW Admins must Nazi lovers and transphobes!" kind of posts. While in fact we were reaching out to the admin of rammy.site and having a talk/vote on how to proceed - even if it was obvious. This isn't a one-man show and this isn't a full time job it's a hobby so it can take a while for everyone to get his or her vote in.

One of these trolls was an admin of hexbear who was dumb enough to use their name in their email address..

Another hexbear user was angry because I didn't want to transfer a community over to her. She felt like she had the rights to [email protected] over the moderator who created it here on LW because she moderated the original community on reddit. She ask me to just hand it over to her and the reddit mods or rename the current existing one.. After I denied to do that - but proposing the be the middle-man in the talks with the current moderator - she started saying "the community will not like that and they will react to this".

So that's another thing to keep in mind. I just ignore it now and ban the accounts because there is no talking or being reasonable with these people.

Honestly those ultra right-wingers are pretty bad but the ultra left-wingers are worse. And as a lefty that is pretty sad to see. But I'm probably not left enough for those on hexbear and still "imperialistic scum".

The hexbear admin deleted most of their offense posts and then went on the Lemmy admin matrix chatroom saying how bad LW was to preemptively blocking hexbear, pretending to play nice. "It took them longer to defederate from exploding heads" so that must mean they are islamophobic, transphobic enablers."

As if it is not normal that you learn from your mistakes. Lemmy.World is less than 2 months old and we do what we think is best for this instance. We vote on these topics and then act. And we have no obligations to accept that kind of shitty behavior and have our users be confronted with it.

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[–] tired_n_bored 41 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I'm gonna add that free speech is free speech as long as it's not used to threat and intimidate. Those people do not know what real free speech is.

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[–] paraphrand 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.

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[–] hal_5700X 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

They need to give us (the users) the ability to block instances. So people will stop posting this stuff all the time and we (the people) will have the power.

EDIT Also I love how people never have proof (links or screenshots) to prove you're not lying.

[–] GONADS125 65 points 1 year ago (12 children)

That feature definitely needs to be added soon..

However, instances that spread hate and propoganda should be defederated from regardless if people can block the instance individually. They should not be given an audience to radicalize.

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[–] zombie_kong 72 points 1 year ago

Do it.

Enough with tolerating that bullshit.

Let them spew their hate, just make sure it’s contained.

Preferably where nobody can see or hear them.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

Wow I really regret going there to see if it's that bad. It's worse than I could have anticipated. Worse than r/theDonald ever got

[–] antik 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We reached out to the admins of the instance but there was no response and it seems like the instance was indeed abandoned.

An announcement was made about the defederation: https://lemmy.world/post/2721132

[–] Ab_intra 39 points 1 year ago

Thanks making a post about this!

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