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I'm perpetually out of the loop. Did Trump's emails get leaked?
That's wild. Any idea what media outlet specifically it was leaked to?
I wonder why it wasn’t sent to wikileaks?
Isn't Wikileaks Russian?
So they were already cc’d on them.
Yes and no; technically they're an independent entity but they've been used as useful idiots by Russian intelligence so many times at this point they're effectively Russian
nope.
Half of their publications are leaked russian material.
Hmm, first time hearing that.
No, the whole "Wikileaks is a Russian asset" story is a farce used to unjustly discredit them, since they've published some extremely damning documents.
It might be because RT gave Assange his talk show on state run tv, RT claimed WikiLeaks as a partner, Assange dumped the 2016 emails after Trump's "Russia if your listening" statement, or because after Assange claimed the hacker that provided WikiLeaks with those 2016 emails wasn't Russian, he was.
If you step back and squint, it kind of looks like he was working with Russia because of all the work with Russia.
Assange's show was produced independently and then licensed to RT, among other broadcasters.
The show is produced by Quick Roll Productions, which was established by Julian Assange with the assistance of Dartmouth Films. It is distributed by Journeyman Pictures[18] and broadcast internationally in English, Arabic, and Spanish by RT and Italian newspaper L'espresso, who both make the program available online.[1][19][20] The theme for the show was composed by M.I.A.[3][4]
I mean, that’s not entirely true. Yeah, there has been a long history of US based organizations, particularly governmental ones, trying to stop Wikileaks, capture Snowden, and generally just punish whistleblowers so brutally is deters anyone else from doing it.
But that doesn’t mean that as the years went on, the mission of Wikileaks changed as they seemed to adopt a particular goal that wasn’t just “shining a light on corruption.”
So it’s not as simple as “it’s a Russian asset” and it’s not as simple as “they’re being smeared for spilling govt secrets.” It’s a mixture of the two, but not only, and not entirely.
You're right, it does not mean the mission of WikiLeaks changed. It clearly hasn't. They still have never had to retract a single document or story.
But weren’t some of the Clinton email leaks proven to be planted?
Ah, I was confusing the fact that the right wing internet trolls planted faked emails among the Wikileaks dump. Misremembered
Totally. It is a complete farce.
Cuz they would have sat on it
Because they would actually publish it.
Narrator: They would not
As opposed to the current recipients, who are sitting on it.
But I thought it was Iran that hacked Trump. Surely they have media that can make this info available.
No, that makes sense. They have the time and energy to hack the Trump campaign email servers. But somehow lack the ability to make that information public. Yeah, that makes much more sense.
Yesterday there was speculation that it was an internal leak, not a foreign country. Remember that Trump's entire staff lies constantly.
Or because there is literally nothing worth reporting. I guarantee if there was some juicy stories, they would come out.
No, they specifically didn’t get leaked. And that’s the story. Trump’s team got hacked, and the hackers sent the emails to the news outlets. The outlets protected Trump, and refused to publish the emails.
Which is in stark contrast to what happened when Hillary’s emails got sent to the news outlets. The outlets were clambering to be the first to publish them.
Almost as if the outlets have a strong bias…
Do you have a link to where the news outlets published them?
They didn't, WikiLeaks did
So PM_Your_Nudes_Please just made up whatever the hell he wanted. Typical.
it appears not to be emails.
also, clinton was using a private email server for government business, illegally. Those emails were subpoenaed and then she had them deleted and wiped…
it’s quite different.
i think if there was a story they’d cover it. but if it’s just campaign information, there would be no point except to just try to harm him.
They did not wipe all the emails. Her team sorted through to send only the ones which were subpeonaed, which is what you are supposed to do.
And the DNC hack is what the original post probably meant, but people mix all this stuff up. Those were published on Wikileaks and generated super productive controversies, such as pizzagate.
And it isn't illegal per se to use private email. It's extremely common, but should be cracked down on. A big problem with it is age. Try telling your grandma she has to use a different email when she contacts you about certain topics.
i didn’t say all, but all of the emails were subpoenaed. all of the wiped ones were done so illegally.
the DNC hack did show that they weren’t democratic, they were trying to hurt Sanders (with “Bernie Bros” and bullshit), they intentionally bolstered Trump to make republicans look crazy (oops), and colluded with Clinton to give her the nomination.
There was a lawsuit over this, but they lost because the DNC never actually promised to be Democratic… it’s just in the name.
and it IS illegal, per se, to use a private email server for government purposes. Always has been.
Nixon was impeached for deleting 8 minutes of his own personal audio recordings… as those records were subpoenaed, because you can’t keep any kind of private records of you conducting government business….
you’re just wrong about everything.
the FBI determined they did commit crimes, but there was no “criminal intent”. (which is only required of rich people, apparently).
That is such a gross oversimplification of why Nixon was impeached I don't even know where to start.
Criminal intent is required for all crimes except those which are strict liability.
And you really ate the propaganda on the rest, not sure what else to say.
isn't classified records law is strict liability
No.
18 USC § 1924 a
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States,
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knowinglyplain facts aren’t propaganda…
although i don’t know what “on the rest” means….
they used BleachBit to make it intentionally unrecoverable. (it writes “bleachbit” over and over unless you change the default settings).
there was criminal intent.
she claimed to only have destroyed personal emails, but some of the recovered ones ones were in fact state business.
it’s pretty crucial for an informed democracy that we at least have records of what the government does….
i don’t think they should have “locked her up”, or that she should of got the democratic nomination or would’ve been a very good president….
but she’s still better than trump in every conceivable way….
the fact that the DNC tried to shoehorn in such a shitty candidate, and handed the election to cheeto hitler should be seen as a huge crime.
buttery males wasn’t even her biggest problem.