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The president often had a weak, raspy voice during his first debate against Trump, in what Democrats had hoped would be a turning point in the race.

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[–] timewarp 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Are you willing to let Trump win though than have Biden step aside? That is what the DNC should be asking themselves. The polls are way to close for Biden to have that poor of a performance. If Democrats are seriously worried about Trump being the end of Democracy then they would not be okay with Biden being the DNC's best choice.

[–] jacksilver 46 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I think it's to late to change things up. That's the problem, everyone told the DNC this was going to happen and yet they all just kept with Biden.

That being said, I don't think either Trump or Biden are in a state to actually run the country. Their cabinets are going to hold all the power, and I trust Bidens cabinet over Trumps any day.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (22 children)

Any change no matter if is too late or too inconvenient would be a better change for the DNC than to allow Biden at the top position. Seriously, any other DNC politician would be better than Biden even if they changed right now or in the next few months. All you need is some politician who is about 50 years old to fight Trump every day until the election and the orange menace would suffer a heart attack trying to keep up.

This is insane .... it's almost as if the powers that be want Trump to win and the only way they can ensure that is to put him up against an 80 year old competitor because it is the only candidate he could possibly beat.

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[–] timewarp 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree. I'll vote for Biden if I have to, but if Trump wins I'm not blaming RFK Jr like they blamed Bernie and Jill Stein in 2016. I'll blame them and likely never vote for a majority political party again.

[–] btaf45 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

and likely never vote for a majority political party again.

If Trump wins you will never get to vote in a free and fair election ever again.

[–] timewarp 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Which will be the fault of Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

This line of thought always amuses me. “It’s democrats faults for not stopping republicans from being horrible people”

Oooooorrrrr maybe it’s republicans fault… for being horrible people?

“It’s the fire departments fault my house burned down, not the guy who lit it on fire.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The democrats should not have dressed so provocatively!

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[–] timewarp 0 points 4 months ago

Republicans are horrible people. They gaslight, obstruct & project. Democracy is on the line here, so Democrats do the logical thing. They go to a nursing home and find someone that is talking about beating medicare to help lead them to victory.

[–] btaf45 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It will be the fault of Republicans first and asshats on the internet 2nd.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That’s the problem, everyone told the DNC this was going to happen and yet they all just kept with Biden.

i think that's only the tip of the iceberg; we're going to vote for them anyways so they literally have no reason to bother listening, ever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's the real danger of Donny. If you care at all about the country you have to vote for the Democrat. It gives the Dems too much power.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

If this strategy allows them to win elections while putting forth the most donor friendly and least citizen friendly candidate, they're not going to stop on their own. Go vote Biden sure but in 4 year if you don't have a plan to ensure the next Dem candidate isn't the least liked person whos technically better than a Republican then you're responsible for the regression of the country.

[–] Furbag 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

At the end of the day, that's the main takeaway here. It's not so much the men themselves, but the people they intend to appoint to positions of authority. Biden will appoint experts and professionals to run the country for him. Trump will appoint sycophants and yes-men to do whatever he wants to do, even if it flies in the face of reason or standard procedure, and unlike last time he won't allow anyone who isn't 100% loyal to him to work in his administration.

[–] jacksilver 1 points 4 months ago

Thats my take on it at least (although with Trump I'm not sure who will be using who if he's elected). It's frustrating that few people are talking about this, cause at the end of the day neither of them are fit (physically/mentally) to be president. So for once it really is just about the party and policies and not the person running.

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[–] Tylerdurdon 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

While I agree, it's way too late in the game to change up now. There's no strong candidate waiting in the wings. It's not about willing, it's about alternatives.

[–] TokenBoomer 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gretchen Whitmer would run away with the election. Plus, we get Michigan (swing state) and the suburban moms. I really can’t see a downside.

[–] timewarp 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There are so many better options at this point. I can't help but shake that the two party system is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Make people think that mediocrity is the best we can get if we're lucky.

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[–] retrospectology 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

There doesn't have to be a strong candidate, just anyone stronger than Biden who's basically zombie-crawling across the floor.

He absolutely can be replaced at this stage, and by nearly anyone.

[–] Blackbeard 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] retrospectology 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the way the DNC set their rules up, they've been ok using the system to kneecap progressives, I see no reason that they shouldn't do that to Biden. I'm not precious about the DNC and I have no illusion that it's democratic, so they just need to stop pretending they're being held back by principles and just pull the levers they always pull to control the convention outcome.

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[–] timewarp 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

AOC would be a really strong candidate. The right would freak out and she'd end up getting more press coverage than Trump. I imagine she'd make several Republican's embolisms pop.

[–] Ensign_Crab 20 points 4 months ago

The party would rather lose democracy forever than nominate AOC.

[–] Tylerdurdon 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, she's probably the only one with enough name recognition and veracity to take on the orange moron in my opinion. Problem is corporate Democrats wouldn't back her because she's too progressive and that goes against their corporate masters.

[–] timewarp 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

True... However if Trump gets elected and our government is able to prevent a dictatorship, in 4 years progressives will hopefully realize the DNC needs them more than they need need the DNC.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

in 4 years progressives will hopefully realize the DNC needs them more than they need need the DNC.

the progressives already know that the dnc needs them more than they need the dnc as evidenced by dnc surrogates perpetually shaming progressives for not voting for the dnc; i'm guessing there's a typo in your sentence somewhere, but i'm not sure where.

[–] timewarp 2 points 4 months ago

If the progressives truly thought that then the US would have a much different stance in regards to Israel.