btaf45

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[–] btaf45 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

“It’s okay to rape a rapist.”

I don't know how you got that from "Everybody deserves to have their own rhetoric used against them." I have learned that when people use terrible rhetoric to bully others it is best to throw it right back in their faces. I'm never going to tell Nikki Haley to "go back to India". But an asshole like Retarded Musk? Hell yeah.

[–] btaf45 1 points 4 hours ago

Obama played a role in nudging things

Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote. There is no way that millions of people changed their votes because of anything Obama did. But yes, pretending there was an Evil Mastermind pulling the strings and controlling the votes of millions sounds a lot more exciting then the boring reality that a majority of voters, for whatever reason, did not understand how great of a politician Bernie Sanders is.

[–] btaf45 1 points 4 hours ago

Clearly I know more than you do, since you didn't know the difference between a Military Invasion Pact that Hitler and Stalin made, and an appeasement agreement that the infamous fool Neville Chamberlian made.

[–] btaf45 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If, by establishment, we mean the specific cliques that run the two party system, then he was an outsider.

Traitorapist Trump is by far the most "insider" there is in the GOP right now. And also its chief oligarch.

He successfully positioned himself as an outsider breaking through the walls of power.

He has successfully positioned himself as a pathological liar in a party that has loved dishonesty for many decades. He has successfully positioned himself as a fascist in a party that increasingly despises democracy and freedom. He has successfully positioned himself as a dumbass in a conservative movement that has been anti-science for centuries, opposing not just climate change but evolution and the idea that the Earth revolves around the sun and that the Earth is round and not flat. All Trump did was figure out how decadent and depraved the GOP had become before others did and got in front of it.

The more the political establishment and their talking heads talk about how bad Trump is, the more voters liked him

Trump is the most despised politician in the history of America. Ordinary Americans hate Traitorapist Trump way more than any "political establishment" ever did. The Baby Trump balloon and the Naked Trump statue weren't created by any "political establishment". What you are really saying is that a certain class of voters LIKE TO BE LIED TO by politicians, and LIKE POLITICIANS WHO ARE CRIMINALS, and WANT POLITICIANS TO BECOME MORE CORRUPT than they were before Trump.

[–] btaf45 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

thus curate the illusion of “choice.”

They wouldn't allow you to vote? I don't think so.

Look at how preemptively allocating super delegates impacted Bernie’s progress in 2016.

There was no impact at all. First of all "allocating super delegates" was a process added to the party charter in the 1980's. The number of DNC members of 2016 that had anything to do with that was zero. 2nd, Clinton had a majority of elected delegates in 2016. So super delegates made no difference. You know that Bernie was a super delegate right?

The platform and policies you so brazenly discount as unimportant is the very premise on which voters decide to elect.

LOL. I bet you don't know one single sentence of the 2024 Party Platform. I don't any either. Unfortunately voters don't even look at the candidates real published platforms, which they definitely should be doing. Like Harris 82 page PDF of policy positions.

The DNC doesn’t matter because it only introduces the public to candidates?

It doesn't even do that much. The candidates introduce themselves to the public. Their main job is to hold the primary votes. If you are someone who volunteers to work for the Democratic Party at the local level, then yes, the DNC is the ultimate boss of your volunteer organization. If you are someone who gets a paycheck from the government, like congressmen and senators, then no the DNC is not your boss. Congressmen do have leaders who can punish them by taking away their committee assignments and making them bored at their jobs. Those leaders are the Democratic Caucus leaders.

And are you also arguing that the DNC cannot support primary challengers

They NEVER do that. They can play a small role sometimes. They have been known to occasionally choose a candidate to fund in a congressional primary when there is no Democratic incumbent. And they shouldn't do that IMO. But once a Democratic candidate becomes an elected incumbent the DNC has no leverage whatsoever over them.

to replace Democrats that “don’t give a shit” about party strategy and unity?

The DNC has no leverage whatsoever. It is the leadership of the House and Senates Democratic Caucuses who have both the official job and the real job of party strategy and unity. And they have some real but also limited leverage, since they give out committee assignments. It is not uncommon for the DNC chairman to be a run of the mill rank and file congressmen who takes their orders from the Caucus Leader.

Is that your argument?

My argument is that "The DNC" had nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this article. The "House Leaders" cited in this article were clearly the leaders of the Democratic Caucus, not "The DNC" as you were falsely claiming.

[–] btaf45 -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I hope you can see that, as an owner of a Android flip phone, it is annoying to see people use "flip phone" as a synonym for "dumb phone". BTW not all dumb phones were flip phones, only the final wave of dumb phones generally were.

[–] btaf45 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Believe what you want,

You havn't given any proof that Obama has magical powers to chose nominees. Of course I'm not going to believe vague claims of magical powers with no proof.

If we are going to consider Biden’s willingness to project racism

I am fucking sick of ALL identity politics. It is the main reason why Dems are losers.

This is a pretty well understood aspect

This is your example?

[In the U.S., concerns that exit polls or winner declarations from the East Coast would influence ongoing voting on the West Coast..."]

OF COURSE, that would change behavior. This is citing a case where the outcome was literally already determined. That is hugely different from your assertion, that Obama caused Sanders to lose the primary. Which is absurd.

[–] btaf45 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Every sucessful invasion led to an advance of US business interest. And that’s what makes you, for the moment, the most dominant power in the world.

Sending troops to a Nicargua in 123 years ago led to the US becoming the most successful country in the world? Trade with Nicargua was like 0.00000000000000001% of our economy. And its not just economics that make the US the most successful country in the world. That is just one thing out of many.

I know that you think I'm trying to brag when I use the phrase "most successful country". The real reason I use that term is as a matter of fact reality check to counter Kremlin propaganda. I'm not claiming I am superior to you because I'm American. And I certainly don't think that Americans are better off than Europeans in every way. I know for sure that is not true.

No, the Marshall Plan secured Allies in Europe and fixed the economy of US-Trade partners.

Then how come we never got out $13 billion + interest back? How come the US had a great economy in the 1950s even though we hardly traded at all with other countries? We actually had a much better economy when we traded LESS.

“Constitution set up the americans to stand up for the free world”

That may have been the eventual result but it was not what our constitution was for. Military power was the RESULT of economic success, not the cause LOL.

That should you a free pass to install dictatorships in Iran, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Guatemala and so on.

That didn't happen, except possibly in Chile. The Shah of Iran came to power in 1941, not 1953. His dynasty was installed by the BRITISH, not Americans.

[–] btaf45 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Here’s one example that took place a year before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact

Yes, we all know about the infamously foolish appeasement of Hitler. That wasn't a defense pact like Hitler made with Stalin.

[–] btaf45 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Nowhere did I even see the word primary,

Did you not know that "issuing the Call to the National Convention" is the final result of the primary?

Did you not know that "filling vacancies in the nominations for the office of President and Vice President" would only happen if there was some problem after the primary?

Did you not know that "providing for the election or appointment of a Chairperson, five Vice Chairpersons..." all has to do with the internal private organization of the DNC and nothing at all to do with the US congress?

You ignored section D entirely,

Did you not know that "formulating and disseminating statements of Party policy" refers to the party platform of the presidential elections and are made right before the national convention and then pretty much ignored for the next 4 years and are never used by congressmen and senators to guide their votes? I doubt that any congressmen who is not a DNC member could quote a single sentence in the party platform.

which I posit is a leadership role.

A leadership role of a private organization that holds a big event every 4 years. It is not a government leadership role for people who are work for the government, like congressmen and senators.

If the DNC is responsible for the candidates that comprise the party,

They are NOT responsible for the candidates that comprise the party. The VOTERS and candidate themselves are 100% responsible for that. Those same voters are ALSO responsible for electing the membership of the DNC. That is exactly why congressmen and senators couldn't care less what anybody who works at the DNC thinks about anything. It's because congressmen and senators are responsible for their own election and reelections, not the DNC.

why shouldn’t I blame them for building a headless party?

Why would you even want a party where one guy, instead of millions of voters, decide who the candidates are? Or even way worse than that, how they vote?

You have no understanding that people can function as leaders and exhibit leadership skills regardless of official hierarchies, titles, and positions.

You have no understanding the congressmen and senators already have completely different leaders and organizations who have infinitely more power than anybody at "the DNC". A simple way to understand reality is to know that nobody who gets a government paycheck cares about what anybody at the DNC wants.

The whole reason why I push back against the trend of using "The DNC" as a magical shorthand for "whichever Dem I don't like at the moment", is become I was worried that eventually somebody would be foolish enough to think the DNC was some super powerful monolithic static group who is like an actual person. So far you are the only person I've found in that category. Everyone else simply admits they were falsely using "The DNC" to mean some random guy they didn't like.

[–] btaf45 1 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I just treat everyone the way they deserve to be treated. Everybody DESERVES to have their own rhetoric used against them. When Musk uses that word, he invited everybody else calling him retarded. He is also an immigrant who works for a guy who routinely disparages immigrants. He comes from Africa, and works for a guy who calls Africa "shithole countries".

[–] btaf45 1 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Obama brokered the deal behind the scenes where right before super Tuesday every single establishment friendly candidate dropped out simultaneously and endorsed Biden, even though most were well ahead of him at that point.

That wasn't a "deal". That was Pete Buttigieg taking unilateral action, then many of the others slowly imitating Buttigieg over the next few days.

despite being attacked by Harris early on for his former stance against bussing for school integration.

It was ridiculous that anybody even mentioned this piece of ancient history. EVERYBODY was against school integration in the 1970's, for reasons that had nothing to do with "racism"

as soon as that happens in a primary the remaining votes shift massively towards the presumptive winner.

Would you stop insulting millions of voters? Who the fuck would be stupid enough to change your vote just because somebody on TV wanted you to. ESPECIALLY if you are voting Bernie Sanders.

There is a whole lot more I could say on the subject

But probably nothing that doesn't insult the intelligence of voters in general and Bernie Sanders voters in particular and exaggerate the power and influence of certain politicians.

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