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[–] andrewta 135 points 7 months ago (9 children)

The simple answer is "REFUSE TO BUY THE SHIT!"

It is literally that simple. I can't think of a single person that HAS to buy a NEW car. Keep what you have or buy used. Tell the dealerships and auto makers to fuck off! Explain why a person ever has to buy a NEW car.

As long as people are stupid and buy it the auto makers WILL continue on this path.

[–] grue 115 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The simple answer is “REFUSE TO BUY THE SHIT!”

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken

The reality is, individual boycotts don't do shit because people who care about their property rights are outnumbered by dipshit consumer whores by a dozen to one (if not worse). The only way to actually fix this is regulatory action by the FTC to outlaw this shit as the blatantly obvious violation of the doctrine of first sale that it is.

[–] oDDmON 47 points 7 months ago

Also an obvious indicator of the need for something comparable to the GDPR to keep this shit manageable going forward.

[–] muntedcrocodile 16 points 7 months ago

The problem solves itself with decent right to repair

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Enshitification isn't solved by voting with your dollar. If it did, the printer market wouldn't be the shit show that it is. You can't vote for the good if all the manufacturers mutually agree to only produce shit. Only regulation will keep them in line.

(inb4 "brother is better", I am aware that brother printers are generally better, but they are far from good.)

[–] deweydecibel 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Especially when the majority of people will litterly drink shit milkshakes every damn day before they ever dream of using something that isn't their preferred brand or might require accepting some modest trade-offs.

We all suffer from enshitification because the "average consumer" makes it profitable with their apathy, their ignorance, and their laziness. And there's nothing we can about that. We're stuck in these markets with them, and they make up the majority, so they set the trends.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

I will say, part of that ignorance, apathy, and laziness is an intentional part of our existing society. You can't spend the time to research every single product you ever buy, because many are stuck working several job, basically everyone is juggling their work, family, and social life.

A couple months back, I tried putting some effort into finding a printer that had all of the qualifications I wanted.

  • usb printing, no network needed

  • laser

  • color

  • not a brand that will fuck you over (looking at you HP)

  • within a reasonable budget of $300-$400

And such a product just doesn't exist. Brother comes close, but the market straight up isn't producing good things. So at the end of the day all I can do is either get shafted at the local print store, or suck it up and get an inferior product.

But going back to the OP, it's so much worse with cars because we have a car-centric society. You NEED a car in this place to have a normal life. Our cities and transportation have been intentionally designed to fuck over everyone not in a car.

So there is inelastic demand. The manufacturers can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sadly, people are not rational, and will buy the new car because it makes them feel good. They'll give them a year of free features and people will forget all about it because it's a free year and "a $5,000 value!"

I've only ever bought one new car, and that got dieselgated. I will never buy a new car again, and you won't, but there's not enough of us to stop this from happening.

"You will own nothing and be happy."

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I got an 03 Jetta in good trim with a 5-speed (which hardly anyone makes anymore). I’m gonna keep that fucker alive even if I have to turn it into the car of Theseus.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I will probably continue to buy new cars as I can spend my hard earned on whatever I want. Everyone’s financial situation, wants and needs are different… you shouldn’t bundle everyone else into your opinion.

That said, I wouldn’t buy a car that has a feature that I need locked behind a subscription.. I would just buy one that suits. I am not loyal to any particular brand so I don’t care.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Where will all the used cars come from?

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 7 months ago (9 children)

"Corp execs literally don't care about your bitching, and will perfectly coordinate with other companies corp execs to make sure the same blanket policy is pushed and agreed upon by everyone else in the industry, thus making it the new standard and leaving the customer with no choice against it, for the 69 millionth time"

[–] Maggoty 105 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just a reminder, such collusion is supposed to be illegal.

But we don't pay attention to those laws anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago

"Congress reports that they don't see the issue, one congressman said 'lol I don't see what the big deal is, the market will regulate itself and just don't buy a car lmao' "

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[–] friend_of_satan 98 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What is really happening is your car has hardware features that are being disabled, and you have to pay extortion money for the criminals to not disable them. It's ransomware as a service.

So the question is, who wants to buy from a company that is running ransomware as a service?

[–] iamtherealwalrus 27 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The question is, what alternative are we going to have, if all auto makers start doing this?

[–] systemglitch 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I just want a vehicle made like they used to be made. No computer chips and physical handles I have to turn to get the window down. An entire vehicle I can fix myself when things break down.

It shouldn't be a hard ask, but here we are... Overly complex shit, with many features no one needs.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago

*You wouldn't download heated seats would you? *

I definitely would.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (4 children)

We need Autoworker Unions to refuse this shit with us.

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[–] SinningStromgald 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Note to self: Buy older cars without the subscription bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

So it lowers the cost of the car right? Right?

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[–] rtxn 36 points 7 months ago

"Oh no, we can't compete with Chinese manufacturers! Surely if we squeeze the customers just a little bit harder..."

[–] harry_balzac 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Officer, I signaled to switch lanes but I forgot to update my card on file so the blinkers won't turn on. I was on my way to get a prepaid card for the blinkers and to open the trunk so I can get my groceries out."

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No BMW owner would willing use indicators anyway.

[–] Jessvj93 19 points 7 months ago

BMW Subscriber* now 🤷‍♂️

[–] atrielienz 36 points 7 months ago (14 children)

Car toys is just gonna take in the bucks. These car manufacturers are thinking they can charge a subscription fee when car toys will plug in a little doohickey they just makes your heated seats work.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The only backlash they listen to is the one to their wallets. Remember Netflix password crackdown backlash?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The backlash where Netflix's profit went up and it was generally a success and Netflix didn't change anything at all...?

Or was there another one I missed? Or am I confused?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (6 children)

That's exactly my point. All this 'widespread backlash' doesn't amount to anything unless it hurts their bottom line. There was a huge backlash when netflix introduced password sharing crackdown, but it ended up a success for them.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As much as I hate what it will do to the used car market we as a people need to stop buying these new cars. Like actually make it a shameful act to even be in one of these distopian devices. People love to bully and be outraged, why not point it to something like this that can be agreed on and is not hard to fix?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Climate conference or whatever, has nothing to say about car makers actively hindering adoption of modern engines/EV?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And this shit is why I’ll never own a Tesla — or any other make that pulls this stunt.

[–] GladiusB 11 points 7 months ago

Elon single handedly told me I shouldn't buy a Tesla

[–] flop_leash_973 17 points 7 months ago

Just remember to not pay for the subscription and they will eventually stop this particular nonsense.

[–] inclementimmigrant 16 points 7 months ago

Again, I mean good luck with that I suppose. They do this and it will just accelerate the market to jailbreak cars.

[–] phillycodehound 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Enough with the subscriptions!

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[–] MataVatnik 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And this is why capitalist markets don't really regulate themselves and need government intervention.

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[–] hesusingthespiritbomb 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If this becomes common enough there's gonna be a whole cottage industry of jailbreaking cars.

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[–] QuarterSwede 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Bought a car with a future subscription to its remote services (climate, lock/unlock, etc). Company wants $450/year for access. Guess what we aren’t going to sign up for when the free 2 year period expires?

Vote with the wallets folks.

[–] MaxVoltage 64 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

you bought the new car you literally failed the mission

walk dude

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You beat me by 7 seconds.

This was my first thought. "sure showed them by buying that car..."

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[–] EvilBit 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There’s a big difference between what this article is describing and what you’re describing. Remote features likeones you’re complaining about require a cellular service and while $450/year is very expensive, providing them for free would be silly.

The article is describing built-in features with no connectivity requirements, which is like disabling your heated seats unless you subscribe. This is what is described as rent-seeking behavior and it’s very different from overcharging for operational costs.

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