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you always have to manage a million different cables for each one, and they all suck. why can't we just use AAA batteries instead of these shitty lithium ones? it's so fucking frustrating. where can I find gadgets that work while plugged in, or at least don't need to be recharged every two fucking days?

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I think rechargeable is overall better than needing a thousand batteries that you just throw away to sit in a landfill, but agree they desperately need to 1) Normalize and standardize batteries and 2) Not use shitty ones that need charging every 2 day. We have standardized rechargeable AA and AAA batteries, if anything just encourage using those.

[–] Fredselfish 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All the batteries in my house are double A and Triple A rechargeable. Use them for the Xbox and the remotes.

But I agree with OP sick of batteries that last one to two days. And cables today suck. Back in the old days the charger got with my phone lasted for years. Now it seems the cables lucky they last 6 months.

[–] vonxylofon 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

WTH do people do with their cables? I haven't had one fray/fail on me... ever, and I pay zero attention to them.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is how I do it too, we just got a second charger so we could keep more than 4 charged, mostly for remotes and controllers. Agree with cables, I've had shit luck with anything from Amazon, it's about a 50/50 shot if the cable will last more than a month, I'd be happy to hear where people buy quality cables.

[–] Carighan 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's the thing, battery sizes already have standards. We need to force the industry to use them though instead of the wild west diarrhea that is current LIon and LiPo batteries.

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[–] Vodik_VDK 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Buying shit tier stuff is gonna give your a shit tier experience. Have more discretion in your shopping, which could mean holding out for quite awhile, and you'll eventually find a USB-C option.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has been my experience that electronics are the only thing where "you get what you pay for" actually applies. If you're getting tired of your cheap shit falling apart, spend more money to get not cheap shit.

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[–] ramenshaman 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think single-use batteries should be banned. Whenever I go to the weed store and I see them selling/advertising disposable vapes I can't help but feel a hint of rage. All my AA and AAA batteries are rechargeable now. Hopefully soon everything will use USB-C and graphene batteries and supercapacitors will be common.

[–] dual_sport_dork 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll infuriate you further. Most of those disposable vape products actually have rechargeable lithium ion batteries inside, but they're just designed so you can't recharge them. Why? Well, the same form factor reasons as why other gadgets use lithium ion batteries, and due to economy of scale they've decided that's the cheapest way to do it.

If you're a hardware hacker type you can grab discarded disposable vapes and dismantle them to get the batteries out, then use them for other projects.

[–] lemming741 2 points 1 year ago

Big Clive has made a career out of it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think single-use batteries should be banned.

Unfortunately, some devices simply don't work unless you have the voltage curve of an alkaline/lithium battery, or they'll show a "low battery" even with a relatively fresh NiMh rechargeable batteries.

If devices could all accept lithium rechargeable batteries, or something else better than NiMh, then there'd be very little reason why you'd need to use single-use batteries.

I'd love to take advantage of super capacitors if they became more readily available. Many dashcams use them instead of internal batteries, and they make a HUGE difference when using them in the cold, and they are safer than using lithium batteries in the summer heat, too.

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[–] Nindelofocho 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I go camping and have some lights that have rechargeable batteries but you can swap disposable batteries in if needed which is really nice to have as a backup when any sort of charging isint available

[–] AA5B 2 points 1 year ago

Right, the convenience is not just being able to replace the battery but being able to find a replacement battery essentially anywhere. That’s great for flashlights, but your phone will always have a custom battery that will be expensive and hard to find

[–] dual_sport_dork 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm of much the same opinion, and I refuse to buy certain categories of gadget if the battery is not replaceable with a commodity type. This is becoming increasingly difficult.

Note that this doesn't have to be AAA/AA batteries, either. The reason so many little gizmos use lithium-whatever rechargeable batteries is because the energy density of lithium is way better than consumer alkaline batteries (with some exceptions that I'll get to; keep your shirt on) and because they're available in a lot of form factors -- particularly flat ones -- that are easy to jam into the product.

For instance, I have quite a few flashlights that take rechargeable lithium chemistry 18650 cells. Some of these allow for charging the battery in the light with a USB cable or whatever, but the important point is if the battery takes a shit I can just take it out and replace it with another one easily and cheaply. I cringe every time I see the backpacking dudebros recommending "slim" USB-rechargeable-only lights to each other like they're all the best thing ever, but which will inevitably be landfill in a year or two when their little nonreplaceable batteries give up the ghost. Hikers look at me like I have a fish for a head when I mention I use an 18650 light. "But it's so heavy!" Sure, and it gets 4 times the battery life of your little stupid light, and it will last forever. I also still have a digital camera that runs off of AA's, and several other oldschool odds and ends of that ilk.

If you are using a gadget that takes consumer AA or AAA cells, by the way, you can now get lithium rechargeable versions of these which are in most cases superior to both disposable alkalines and rechargeable NiMH cells. Whatever you do, don't run everything you own off of disposable alkalines. That's just stupid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well, I still go for eneloop for aa/aaa uses personally, but that's a big hell yeah on this comment :)

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've got a black diamond headlamp that I've been using for 20 years. Cost me less than $40, runs in triples, has seen some serious shit, been banged, stomped, and submerged. It's still going strong (I assume. It's been in a box for a year, but the last time I left it in a box for two years, it just needed new batteries).

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting. I hate AAA batteries and only buy things that I can charge with USB cables. I hate having to replace and throw away batteries all the time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I assume op was talking about rechargeable AAA batteries. At least then they're hot swappable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe in buying the wrong AAA batteries but I'm struggling to make them last longer than a few cycles

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even better would be if more devices used the lithium ion cylindrical cells. Higher power and energy density, while also being a standardized form factor that can be switched out as needed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Key is standardisation, we should all move to li-ion but not at the cost of random shapes and non-swappable. Everything should have similar 3-4 form factor batteries and easily replaceable. Also the charging connector, everything should have USB c, barrel connector should be banned or be forced to just use one single size

[–] reddig33 21 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The “USB C” charger laws in the EU should help with this. As should the “right to repair” laws that are emerging.

Consider all the dinky appliances that end up in the garbage when their non-replaceable battery fails (like electric toothbrushes and razors). This is specially bad when the manufacturer chooses to use a lithium ion battery. Great way to start a fire in the garbage truck.

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[–] Resol 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're gonna want a room full of AAA batts if you want your phone to last a year, not to mention that you have to set the date and time every time you reboot your device since it's got no charging port and you have to replace the batts which contain date and time information.

Rechargable AAA batts are not very easy to find where I'm from. I'm probably guessing that's not the case where you live.

And don't even think about playing graphically intensive video games on that thing, the batt is gonna die within 3 minutes due to the insane power consumption.

And your phone better have a DC input incase you DON'T wanna use the batt, but then you have to leave it plugged into the wall when you wanna use it, so it basically becomes a house phone (but it's smrt).

The only solution is to wait until the EU enforces replaceable batts on everyone, then move to an EU country. I recommend Belgium if you lack self-love like I do.

Also, did you notice that I never called them "batteries" until this point. Because I also hate them. But they're super important nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

but even with new eu regularities, phones most probably won't be forced to have swappable batteries

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For sure. When I get something new, regardless of what it is, I tend to look for whether it takes regular batteries or not.

Take bike lights, for example. So many use non-removable batteries. Why? If you run out of power with one, you're SOL. The best ones I own take 18650 batteries, you can swap them, upgrade them, and carry as many as you need as spares.

I hate, absolutely HATE the fact that phones don't have swappable batteries like they used to. Right now, the only reason I'd have to replace my perfectly good phone is because of battery degradation. Previously, I'd just buy a replacement, pop it in, and I'm good to go for another few years at least.

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[–] Aceticon 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, Lithum has way better energy density than the other rechargeables hence tends to be chosen for devices that draw more energy such as stuff with microprocessors and/or large screens.

However that battery tech puts out a much higher voltage (at around 3.8V instead of 1.5V) than they typical rechargeable or discardable batteries, plus it needs extra circuitry to avoid excessive discharge (which kills the battery), which is probably why you don't see devices using AA and AAA rechargeable LiPo or Li-ion rechargeables.

What we need is some kind of proper and legally enforced standard for Lithium battery form factors like we have with the AA, AAA (and D and others).

Ultimatelly it's a political problem derived from living in an age were the dominant political discourse is all about less regulation - there is simply no will to "interfere with the Free Market" and regulate this to reduce waste, so in the end the Environmenf suffers so ultimatelly we all suffer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I use lithium rechargeable AA and AAA batteries, and they are way better than NiMh or Alkaline. You can even charge them directly (literally plug a USB-C cable into the battery itself!

If those aren't an option, 18650 or 21700 cells are perfectly fine many devices.

Manufacturers don't go that route because of planned obsolescence. That's it. That's the only reason why.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The advantage liion has with the AA size is that it maintains its voltage better than nimh as nimh can only supply 1.2V and some applications that use AA batteries start to not work when nimh have a lower charge because of the voltage drop being smaller than the required voltage.

The main con with liion is its a fire hazard and is fairly toxic

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

And that's just the cars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

slightly different but there is a product im debating called tromataz toothbrush. its first iteration had a replaceable head but it has a bunch of its electronics in it. Its obvious it should have some sort of plastic brush snap on for the top but not only have they not improved it. It looks like they are going the other way and you have to change your toothbrush every 3 months or so. its nuts. whats wrong with their engineers!!!!

[–] dojan 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There are so many electric toothbrushes on the market. A mid-tier Braun or Philips one will last you years. I had one for well over a decade before the battery was sufficiently used up to not really last a full session.

[–] reddig33 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had a Philips Sonicare with an embedded battery that I had to replace through warranty service because it failed within a year. They did not want the old one back so I had to take it to electronics recycling. I’m sure a lot of people would have just thrown away the defective one. And if you check YouTube, you’ll see a lot of videos on how to repair these, because they have a high failure rate.

[–] dojan 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, I've only ever used Braun (OralB) brushes. Philips is generally a pretty decent brand so I'm surprised their brushes suck.

That said, I'd not recommend the base-line OralB brushes. I had a OralB Vitality 100 a couple of years ago, which only cost me like $25 when I bought it. At some point decided to upgrade to a Oral-B Pro 3, which cost around $60 and the difference is night and day. Motor is much better, the pressure warning was helpful (I had no idea I pressed way too hard) and the battery lasts longer.

I seriously doubt that the ultra-expensive 3D imagery app-control AI bullshit that cost in the $2-300 is as big of an upgrade.

[–] vonxylofon 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Philips used to be a pretty decent brand, it's gone down big time over the last decade. Ask me how I know.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like the engineers listened to their bosses who told them to make it a subscription without making it a subscription.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. As an engineer you have a sense of good design, but if you're getting paid to make a stupid design, you make a stupid design so long it complies with code.

[–] grue 4 points 1 year ago

Having the ability to refuse public-harming requests like that is why engineers are supposed to be licensed.

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