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Donald Trump's increasingly violent vision is coming through loud and clear to supporters like the MAGA gunman in New Mexico.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Republicans don't want freedom or justice or anything that they claim to be for. They only want unrelenting flames of vengeance on everything that they hate: which is basically everything that exists. They literally are a lake of fire.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

When my friend became a Republican after a being a lifelong Democrat, one of the first things he started to say was, "never let the opposition control the language."

The right defines those words, freedom, justice, with what their empty ideology represent; not their actual meanings.

[–] JustZ 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The right has zero credibility on freedom or justice.

[–] Sylver 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t even understand how someone can understand what “right wing” means while also claiming it to equal freedom.

They are literally on the “authority” side!

[–] JustZ 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The freedom to use authority to oppress anyone the in group doesn't like, you know, anti American freedoms.

[–] CharlesDarwin 8 points 1 year ago

There was a great piece on the notion of Southern liberty (the way the right defines it) vs. the way virtually everyone else defines it. The right's idea of "liberty" is being able to rule over others.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Eldritch 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When Bush was elected, his main concern was revenge on Saddam. When Trump was elected, his main objective was to show what he would have done during the 08 financial crisis instead of what Obama had done.

The next republican president will probably be obsessed with getting revenge for the pandemic. It's what they do and why they can't govern.

[–] CharlesDarwin 17 points 1 year ago

Cruelty is the point. That's all that guides the right. The base, anyway. The elite just want corporate rule and tax cuts for themselves.

[–] dangblingus 1 points 1 year ago

When Trump was elected, his main objective was to show what he would have done during the 08 financial crisis instead of what Obama had done

No it wasn't. It was to destabilize the country at the behest of Vladimir Putin.

[–] Exatron 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Republicans would be great Daleks.

[–] ViewSonik 2 points 1 year ago

Republicans thrive on chaos. They have no desire for any outcome, they just enjoy the chaos through the journey of more & more anger

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ryan Martinez, of East Mountains, pulls a gun during a rally outside the Rio Arriba County building in Española, N.M., Thursday, Sept. 28, 2023.

Wow didn't even hear about this one.

[–] worldwidewave 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“As of Sepember 30, at least 571 people have been killed and 1,947 other people have been injured in 487 shootings.” It’s hard to keep up with the violence when there are nearly two mass shootings every day.

[–] banneryear1868 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's a bunch of different notions about "the end of politics," but mostly I've seen it refer to the fact that the economic system in the US is basically not up for debate at this point. The issues that are up for debate now do not threaten the basic structure of the political economy, or the economic arrangements of people in this system.

I disagree somewhat about the "both sides" criticism of the media here. This "both sides" approach isn't because the media "hasn't figured out" how to move beyond conventional 90s politics, it's because the media subsists on it's ability to exploit the viewer's attention and emotions. There's plenty of writing and analysis of "real" politics, but the biggest news networks aren't running that as top stories because it doesn't offer the engagement of partisan culture war debates.

[–] Brainsploosh 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a non USAmerican, this seems only partly true. The media does indeed benefit from the partisanship hype, but it is also (often) accurately reporting politicking made to exploit the same emotional response.

For example, there is little good statesmanship in the North Carolina Republicans founding their own extrajudicial secret police, but it triggers a lot of emotional response even before them actually using it as a fascist tool.

This isn't blown out of proportion by the media, it is an actual thing that the party officially proposed, and it is outright disregarding both rule of law and democratic principles. Even if they have no hope of enacting it, the proposal is made to evoke emotions and sow chaos.

The French would have striked until these people resigned.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The French would have striked until these people resigned.

Because the French have social services and resources that allow them to do this without facing bankruptcy, homelessness and starvation.

[–] Brainsploosh 16 points 1 year ago

True, but how did they get those?

By collective action.

(and a lot of blood)

[–] CADmonkey 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One wonders if we are going to keep working through bankruptcy, homelessness, and starvation.

Because the question is going to come up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Its gonna take utility and food collapse for that to happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Up to 50% of homeless people in the states work full or part time.

The question has been answered.

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/insight/research-summary/learning-about-homelessness-using-linked-survey-and-administrative-data/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's go back even farther in French history and ask how they would handle this!

[–] Brainsploosh 6 points 1 year ago

To be fair, the USAmericans also have a few notable occasions of standing up against oppressive rulers.

[–] SCB -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So did you only read the opening paragraph of the French Revolution, or are you super cool with thousands of innocent people dying for no reason?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

They don't see it that way. It's like how the Confederates broke away after Lincoln's election even though Lincoln promised he wasn't going to abolish slavery. It doesn't matter that we aren't going to change the economic system, the fact that they know we don't fully support it is the same as trying to replace it.

[–] SCB 0 points 1 year ago

I’ve seen it refer to the fact that the economic system in the US is basically not up for debate at this point

Well yeah, because we have the best one in human history.

[–] damnthefilibuster 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well written article. That there’s still such discussions about the politics of the US means that maybe there’s still hope.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

The world needs more journalists like Will Bunch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is one of the reasons I got a concealed carry permit. These mfers are nuts and won't respond to kindness. We're lost as a country. Just a matter of time before it shows.

[–] RazorsLedge 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We definitely need more guns. You know, to shoot the things and combat the guns and destroy stuff.

[–] AA5B 4 points 1 year ago

You should always have your gun on you and loaded, so it can be your first reaction whenever you’re scared

[–] dangblingus 2 points 1 year ago

For all of the talk of "a good guy with a gun", it's happened like....twice?