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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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    One officer is seen standing at her door and repeatedly telling her to "get out of the car".
    "For what?" she responds twice, adding: "I'm not going to do that."
    One officer seen in front of the car has his left hand on the hood, his gun drawn in the other hand.
    "Are you going to shoot me?" she says moments before a single shot is fired and the officer quickly moves out of the car's path.

    The cop who killed her was in no danger, and has time to casually stroll out of the way of the vehicle.

    What he doesn't have is a name or a face — as often happens, the police haven't been named, and their faces have been blurred in the video.

    Why?

If they weren't cops — if they were just a pair of random dudes killing a black pregnant woman, and there was video footage — would their names remain secret, their faces blurred?

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago

Even if she committed a crime, cops are not judge jury and executioner.

A judge with a conscience would give them the death penalty for this

[–] asteriskeverything 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Both officers, who have not been identified, were in the parking lot for an unrelated call.

Footage shows officers attempting to question her for alleged shoplifting.

So they are there for something completely unrelated. Then just decide to question pregnant woman about shoplifting and fucking shoot her???? That's not even why you're there!!! What the fuck happened and I'm sorry stolen property, especially corporate property, should not warrant taking a life.

Oh wait sorry but SA survivors, even children, can't have an abortion, and they are willing to take doctors to court for it. Because life is precious. Until it's taken by a cop.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

By wearing the badge, they’re the chosen whites

[–] Viking_Hippie 24 points 1 year ago

Cops were and are over-represented in covid death statistics because

Some of those who work forces want the paste that's for horses.

[–] kmkz_ninja 5 points 1 year ago

Chosen to have their noses closest to a hypothetical wall.

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[–] Ton 55 points 1 year ago

Look at the 'related' links at the bottom of that BBC page...

No charges for officers who fatally shot black man Published 17 April

Black man was shot 46 times by US police - autopsy Published 15 July 2022

Ohio black man shot 60 times by police, video shows Published 4 July 2022

I think it's no wonder she tried to get away. Her fault was to not step on the gas HARD.

[–] TimoBRL 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am so glad I'm not in America. It literally looks like everybody is at risk to get shot all the time, everywhere.

[–] DougHolland 32 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's just a stereotype. I haven't been shot in weeks.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Only when cops are around. Or when you set foot on a stranger's property in a red state. Or if you piss someone off. Or...ok, you have a point.

[–] jj4211 20 points 1 year ago

At work someone was visiting from overseas. When asked if he wanted to do anything in particular, he asked if he could see our guns and maybe go shooting.

We explained that contrary to stereotypes, we didn't all have guns, and in fact no one in the room had a gun.

Later while walking outside to lunch he asked what all the loud bangs were. It was the gun range across the street that we had all just kind of forgot about and ignored.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really not, but doom scrolling sure makes it feel that way. The human mind simply does not understand mass statistics as applied to individual risk.

[–] jj4211 12 points 1 year ago

While true (over four decades without seeing a gun used against a living target in the US here), the statistics are still pretty bad here per capita.

Someone in my school growing up killed their sibling (accidental shooting). A guy that did some work for my family couldn't finish the job because he shot his wife's boyfriend and went to jail. There was a spree shooter within half a mile of my home once. I've never seen anything personally, but have more "close calls" than people in a lot of countries wouldn't believe.

Of course, I've known more fatalities from cars or cancer or heart attacks. But still our statistics on gun violence is not great, just not to the point of it being quite as ubiquitous as reported on the media.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need to get rid of the police. They're nothing but gangsters

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She was shoplifting. These fuckers are murderers, plain and simple.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago

She was suspected of shoplifting. We have due process for a reason.

Fuck cops.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ALLEGEDLY shoplifting! The store worker could have been confused and it could be as simple as that, we don't even know if she did the thing

[–] LemmyWinks666 17 points 1 year ago

This is one of the reasons I refuse to shop at my local Meijer stores. Their fucking registers are quick to accuse you of stealing something, and you're treated as guilty by the employees even if you try to prove that the machine is wrong.

I know more than one person who has had this experience, chiefly my sister who already has severe social anxiety. She won't step foot there again.

One has been banned since the first time she went because the employees confused her with someone that actually shoplifted. They called in the cops, who told her should be trespassed if she came back.

Fuck these systems.

[–] inclementimmigrant 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"This was a tragedy. Ms Young's family is understandably very upset and grieving," Blendon Police Chief John Belford said in a statement on Friday.

This wasn't just a tragedy, this was homicide and a attempted cover up by shitty cops.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I find that completely appalling that they called this a tragedy.

A tragedy implies two things, a lot of small things happening at once that add up to an unpreventable misfortune A wave of bad luck striking at the right time for the wrong person

This wasn't a tragedy, this was murder. "Luck" wasn't involved, nor the "Will of God", it was a man who's pp only gets hard when he takes the lives of the innocent.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't see the need to immediately gun someone down. She's in a car for fuck's sake, note down the plate and visit her when she's calmed down.

[–] DougHolland 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With that kind of thinking, you'll never make it as a cop — a high compliment indeed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You're right, I should always preface my questions with shooting.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

On the blurring and name thing; as a general rule all crime suspects should always be treated like that. Even convicted criminals.

Think about it. If you publish "first name last name is suspected of molesting children" with a face, then that person's life is destroyed, even if it turns out they're innocent.

In the other hand if they're found guilty, you will want that person to serve their time, rehabilitate, and then come back into society and continue a normal life without causing more trouble. If you publish names and faces, that's no longer possible.

Even in cases like these.

Then again, in countries where they do do this, these police officers would likely already have been arrested for homicide.

Edit: exceptions to these criminal privacy laws exist, mostly for when there are extreme circumstances, for example when a suspected crazy killer is on the lose and people need to avoid and report them

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[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised all the bootlickers I saw in the other thread about the body camera footage aren't in here defending the cop, claiming their life was threatened, aren't in here. What bullshit that was.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago
[–] RestrictedAccount 14 points 1 year ago

They wouldn’t have qualified immunity

[–] verdantbanana 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

usa does nothing but talk these days with no results citizens say they are upset and want change but noone is willing to put in that effort to get there does not help electing procop leaders like we have done always just look at the last two elections procop presidents won and not from the same party cops are the militarized force meant to keep us in our proper stations our country will never for example put funding into education enough and proper social investments enough where so many cops are not applicable

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You have the Republicans that think Authoritarianism and Fascism are good

The Democrats think it's bad, but think that shaming Republicans into behaving with their "Good Boy Points" is how you stand up to this.

[–] xT1TANx 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

No shit? Really??? I never would've guessed /s

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