THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

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Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

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Steve Gessmann, vice president of operations for Breaking News Network servicing media groups, private security firms and government agencies, says, “Secrecy from the news media threatens to damage the trust and goodwill that the NYPD is working so hard to maintain.”

“Breaking News Network (BNN), a company that has monitored police communications for 30 years has concerns about the new encryption scheme,” Gessmann said. “The inability to monitor these communications could delay news of threats, crimes, and other emergencies, possibly endangering the community at large.”

The secrecy is the point.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24208804

https://x.com/Jaybefaunt/status/1878482335236001939

And in case you want to read the article without giving the NY Post any ad money: https://archive.is/h8SHL

Here's some mind-bending stuff from the article:

Luckhurst, 42, now serves as a cop in Benavides, about 150 miles from San Antonio, according to Benavides Police Chief Andre Hines, who said the 2023 hiring “reflects the department’s commitment to honesty and accountability.”

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Bizarrely, that same year, [note: not 2023] Luckhurst was accused of defecating in one of the San Antonio police department’s female restrooms before wiping a brown, feces-like substance on one of the toilet seats, reported the San Antonio Express-News. He reportedly never denied being behind the bathroom incident.

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Hines said Luckhurst’s record in Benavides “has been exemplary, with no complaints or issues reported, and said “a thorough background check” helped ensure “all aspects of his history were carefully considered.”

Apparently "honesty and accountability" is when you harass women and the homeless with your weird poop fetish.

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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/post/411426

DoJ report acknowledges attack ‘was so systematic and coordinated that it transcended mere mob violence’ > >

The DoJ’s findings acknowledged the role of Tulsa law enforcement in the massacre, including that of Tulsa police who “deputized hundreds of white residents, many of whom – immediately before being awarded a badge – had been drinking and agitating for [a lynching]”. According to the report, more than 500 men were deputized in less than 30 minutes. > > he was told he “could now ‘go out and shoot any [N-word] you see and the law’ll be behind you’”. > >

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A new announcement is coming soon that will clarify matters.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976

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Actors throughout Memphis’s criminal legal system know that MPD officers do not feel particularly constrained by what is legal. One prosecutor told the Justice Department that some MPD supervisors do not review arrests and might not even have the training to recognize whether probable cause exists. A judicial commissioner told the Justice Department that they must “often” remind officers that probable cause is needed to conduct a search or an arrest. A judge expressed frustration that MPD officers are sometimes unable to articulate probable cause in their arrest reports. The Justice Department writes that judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys all raised concerns about MPD’s “over-reliance on ‘high-crime areas’ as a justification for stops.”

Put more colloquially, Memphis police conduct a lot of bogus stops and searches, and everybody knows it. Nichols’s killing is an extreme example of the consequences of this stop-and-search policing approach, but the report makes clear that unnecessary violence is all too common and that people in some Memphis neighborhoods are subjected to degrading, dehumanizing detentions and searches every day.

Bolding added, archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20250109131854/https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/crime-suppression--policing-and-excessive-force-at-the-memphis-police-department

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Just Say No (vegantheoryclub.org)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24040885

TO COPS

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/29592751

A tragic situation went from bad to worse in Evansville, Illinois, after police who responded to complaints about animal neglect ended up shooting the dog they were summoned to help, WISH reported.

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Kentucky dispatchers repeatedly told police officers the address of a house they were supposed to raid over an alleged stolen Weed Eater, only for the cops to raid the wrong home and kill the man inside.

But the man who police say admitted to stealing the Weed Eater from a home of a local judge had already been in custody prior to the deadly raid that took place minutes before midnight last month, according to WLEX. That man told police he had stored the stolen Weed Eater at a home at 489 Vanzant Road which is a rural area outside of London city limits.

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Crosspost from news

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/176874

 

Kentucky dispatchers repeatedly told police officers the address of a house they were supposed to raid over an alleged stolen Weed Eater, only for the cops to raid the wrong home and kill the man inside.

But the man who police say admitted to stealing the Weed Eater from a home of a local judge had already been in custody prior to the deadly raid that took place minutes before midnight last month, according to WLEX. That man told police he had stored the stolen Weed Eater at a home at 489 Vanzant Road which is a rural area outside of London city limits.

But London police chose to raid a home at 511 Vanzant Road where they shot and killed Douglas Harless, a 63-year-old white man who had nothing to do with the alleged stolen Weed Eater.

Fuck these cops. 2020 memories getting dim already I guess.

 

Over and fucking Over:

Police: Create deadly situation for someone else to react to, because despite being empowered to use deadly force, they don't see the need to worry about any kind of rigor or care in their actions since they work in a system that will back them no matter what.

Someone else: Reacts

Police: Use the situation they created as justification to kill the person.

The system: Shrugs.

Police Union: Giggity.

Remember folks: Police exist to protect property and wealth, not people.

I want those body cams.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23949586

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Robert “Bobby” Kinch, a former Las Vegas homicide detective, is revealed as the leader of the Utah-based Oath Keepers USA, a spinoff of the militia linked to the January 6 Capitol attack.

Kinch, who retired from the force in 2016, has a controversial history, including Facebook posts advocating a “race war” and a photo of him pointing a gun at a plate with Barack Obama’s image.

Critics highlight the threat of extremists in law enforcement.

The Oath Keepers remain active, adding police officers to their ranks amid Trump’s potential return to power.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23666674

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Oklahoma Attorney General Gentner Drummond dismissed a felony assault charge against Sgt. Joseph Gibson, a police officer who slammed 71-year-old Lich Vu to the ground during a traffic ticket dispute, breaking his neck.

Drummond stated the officer acted within his training and lacked criminal intent, adding that Vu should not have touched Gibson.

The dismissal sparked criticism from Oklahoma County DA Vicki Behenna and outrage in Oklahoma City’s Vietnamese community, citing Vu’s language barriers during the incident.

Gibson’s actions were initially deemed an unreasonable use of force by prosecutors.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23511181

"Payne, 36, died after he was handcuffed, shot with a stun gun and then held down with deputies’ knees on his back outside the jail, despite his pleas that he could not breathe, according to court documents."

"The judge ruled that the deputies involved are not entitled to qualified immunity at this stage in the case, finding that the deputies “knew or should have known” that placing pressure on Payne’s back or neck could result in asphyxia."

"Griesel “muted his body cam” audio while talking with medics, in violation of Eugene police policy"

Fuck the police. Thank god for this judge, it's incredibly rare to see qualified immunity revoked. AFAICT none of these officers faced any form of discipline for this.

Help end qualified immunity - aaqi.org

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David Mascarella returned to the Suffolk County Police Department in New York on Thursday following an 18-month unpaid suspension for driving drunk and crashing into a car carrying two children, one of whom was permanently injured. In August 2020, Mascarella spent his day off golfing and lunching during which he claimed he drank up to three 12-ounce vodka soda cocktails, Newsday reported after an extensive investigation.

That day, the off-duty police officer drove his pickup truck 20 mph over the speed limit while texting and rear-ended a compact vehicle driven by Kevin Cavooris. Cavooris's two young sons were passengers in his car.

When the crash occurred, instead of calling 911, Mascarella called his union delegate. At the scene, a detective said he wanted to administer a breathalyzer test but the responding sergeant contacted a Suffolk County Police Benevolent Association delegate who drove Mascarella away before the test was given, according to Newsday.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23372796

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (KCTV) - Eric DeValkenaere will be home for Christmas. Late Friday afternoon Missouri Governor Mike Parson commuted Devalkenaere for the December 2019 killing of Cameron Lamb.

Lamb was shot and killed by DeValkenaere as he was backing a truck into a garage at his home. DeValkenaere’s attorneys argued the detective and his partner were doing their jobs, following up on reports that Lamb’s vehicle had been chasing another car through town.

The attorneys argued that the detectives believed Lamb was reaching for a gun and DeValkenaere was worried about his partner.

DeValkenaere was convicted in a bench trial of second-degree manslaughter in the case. He was sentenced to six years in prison, but his legal team appealed. He was allowed to stay out of jail while awaiting an appeal decision. The appeal was denied, and DeValkenaere was taken into custody in October 2023.

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Schaetzel suggested that Floyd died of high levels of catecholamines, a neurohormone associated with the flight-or-fight response, or Takotsubo myocarditis, a heart condition caused by intense emotional or physical experiences.

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