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As former President Donald Trump dominates the Republican presidential primary, some liberal groups and legal experts contend that a rarely used clause of the Constitution prevents him from being president after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The 14th Amendment bars from office anyone who once took an oath to uphold the Constitution but then “engaged” in “insurrection or rebellion” against it. A growing number of legal scholars say the post-Civil War clause applies to Trump after his role in trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election and encouraging his backers to storm the U.S. Capitol.

Two liberal nonprofits pledge court challenges should states’ election officers place Trump on the ballot despite those objections.

The effort is likely to trigger a chain of lawsuits and appeals across several states that ultimately would lead to the U.S. Supreme Court, possibly in the midst of the 2024 primary season. The matter adds even more potential legal chaos to a nomination process already roiled by the front-runner facing four criminal trials.

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[–] not_that_guy05 143 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't make this into a liberal BS. The GOP scholars were the first one to bring this up. This title is BS.

[–] MicroWave 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh? Based on this article, two conservative professors gave the issue a boost because of their recently released law review article, but the liberal non-profit (Free Speech For People) has been urging states to do this since 2021:

Though most litigation is unlikely to begin until October, when states begin to set their ballots for the upcoming primary, the issue has gotten a boost from a recently released law review article written by two prominent conservative law professors, William Baude and Michael Paulsen. They concluded that Trump must be barred from the ballot due to the clause in the third section of the 14th Amendment.

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In 2021, the nonprofit Free Speech For People sent letters to the top election official in all 50 states requesting Trump’s removal if he were to run again for the presidency. The group’s legal director, Ron Fein, noted that after years of silence, officials are beginning to discuss the matter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MicroWave 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And neither are law review articles. I think we're talking about who pushed the idea of using the 14th Amendment first. Of course, the article also acknowledges that the first lawsuit on this issue was filed by a Republican presidential candidate:

On Wednesday, a long-shot Republican presidential candidate, John Anthony Castro, of Texas, filed a complaint in a New Hampshire court contending the 14th Amendment barred Trump from that state’s ballot.

[–] not_that_guy05 1 points 1 year ago

No what I'm saying is it's not just a liberal thing that this title is trying to stroke flames here. It is the unilateral parties that believes he is a threat to democracy.

What I'm saying is the title is trying to do them vs us again when it's not. Both parties scholars have been arguing this case for Trump not to be allowed again and they are right.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Traitors who don't believe in our democracy and try to stop the will of the people who voted, should not be allowed in our government. They can't be trusted to keep their oath to the constitution if they broke that oath before.

[–] QuadratureSurfer 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Text of the relevant section of the 14th Amendment:

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 7 points 1 year ago

The "aid or comfort" clause seems like a decent bet. I'm sure he's publicly stated how much he loves the rioters at least a dozen times.

[–] teamevil 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article should say Americans not a liberals want to stop that treasonous bastard.

[–] propaganja 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You're saying you think conservative Americans want to stop him?

[–] CADmonkey 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they're supporting a traitor, are they Americans?

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[–] Fedizen 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're a Hexbear member they are.

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[–] No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston 2 points 1 year ago

Def. A minority in terms or population, however gerrymandering and cherry picking boundaries for representatives changes the outcome at the polls.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A growing number of legal scholars say the post-Civil War clause applies to Trump after his role in trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election and encouraging his backers to storm the U.S. Capitol.

“There’s a very real prospect these cases will be active during the primaries,” said Gerard Magliocca, a law professor at Indiana University, warning that there could be different outcomes in different states before the Supreme Court makes a final decision.

That section bars anyone from Congress, the military, and federal and state offices if they previously took an oath to support the Constitution and “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Trump argues that any effort to prevent him from appearing on a state’s ballot amounts to “election interference” — the same way he is characterizing the criminal charges filed against him in New York and Atlanta and by federal prosecutors in Washington, D.C., and Florida.

On Wednesday, a long-shot Republican presidential candidate, John Anthony Castro, of Texas, filed a complaint in a New Hampshire court contending the 14th Amendment barred Trump from that state’s ballot.

Ratified in 1868, the 14th Amendment helped ensure civil rights for freed slaves — and eventually for all people in the U.S. — but also was used to prevent former Confederate officials from becoming members of Congress and taking over the government they had just rebelled against.


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[–] tinkeringidiot 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’ll be interesting to see how the courts play this out. Usually the determination of whether someone did or did not engage in an illegal activity is upon conviction by a jury - innocent until proven guilty. Consequences cannot be rendered until that point.

Trump hasn’t (yet) been charged with insurrection specifically, so a conviction on the existing charges likely wouldn’t trigger the 14th Amendments restriction.

“Giving aid or support” could be an interesting argument though, because a few of the J6 participants have been convicted of “seditious conspiracy”, which could maybe fall under the definition of rebellion, and Trump has certainly spoken spoken in support of the participants in general.

I look forward to reading some riveting decisions over the next year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're forgetting about civil law. You can face legal consequences without ever being charged with a crime. And nothing in the amendment says a criminal conviction is required to be someone from office.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver 3 points 1 year ago

Block that whiny bitch out!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Ban the lame bastard from earth.

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