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Hawaii cannot ban guns on beaches, US judge rules (www.reuters.com)

submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave to c/news

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A federal judge has blocked the state of Hawaii from enforcing a recently enacted ban on firearms on its prized beaches and in other areas including banks, bars and parks, citing last year's landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling expanding gun rights.

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[–] Zaktor 164 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Apart from the "why do you need it" question, the beach is specifically a place people often leave items that can't be taken in the water unattended. Sure, legislators can write laws about how a gun must not be left unattended and gun nuts can swear up and down about how they would never do that, but they will. No matter how much you think "there's a lot of people around" or "I'll just be in and out" or "I'll watch my stuff from the water", thefts happen, and now a mundane occurrence has turned a supposedly (not really) "safe" and "legal" gun into one of those dangerous "illegal" guns they can't be held responsible for.

We were perfectly happy with our gun laws, and they worked, and now fringe nutcases and a politically captured courts are telling us we can't implement common sense restrictions because the nuts have a panic attack if they're not constantly armed.

[–] kescusay 114 points 1 year ago (24 children)

the nuts have a panic attack if they're not constantly armed.

That's the real issue, here. These guys are absolutely fucking terrified 100% of the time. They pack heat in order to feel like something besides a helpless babyman.

I have never even once felt like I couldn't possibly pick up a head of lettuce and some yogurt from the supermarket without some moral support from a gun. It's just fucking bizarre.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago (29 children)

What happened to respecting states rights? So sick of the judicial branch in the US, the most untethered and corrupt branch of them all. Which is saying a lot considering the state of the legislative branch.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans only care about state’s rights when they can use state law to push one of their terrible policies at state level because they can’t force it nationally.

[–] PunnyName 11 points 1 year ago

i.e. slavery

[–] dangblingus 9 points 1 year ago

States' rights only exists in the eyes of Conservatives if it's related to owning other humans.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How big of a coward do you have to be to feel the need to bring a gun to the beach?

[–] Saneless 12 points 1 year ago

Have you met a conservative man lately? They're scared of everything. Especially their own feelings

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago

Can I carry one into the court where the justices meet? Or is safety just something the "little people" need to work about?

[–] Hazdaz 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Another awful law 6 years in the making, all thanks to people being too lazy to go out and vote.

We are going to be feeling the repercussions of that laziness for decades to come.

In today's world, we can still see the results of Reaganomics and the terrible Reagan administration and what it did to this country some 4 decades later. Allowing Trump to enter the White House 6 years ago has, and will, continue to have a similar profound negative effect on the trajectory of this country for a long, long time.

You guys sure showed us!

[–] PunnyName 40 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Lazy?

Have you forgotten about the gerrymandering and voter suppression that's been going on?

[–] LetMeEatCake 21 points 1 year ago (25 children)

This is a result of a SCOTUS decision. SCOTUS membership is determined by the president and control of the senate at the time of vacancies. Neither of those are influenced by gerrymandering.

At the core of it this comes down to 2016 when a larger than typical number of people on the left lied to themselves and said "eh, they're all teh same" and tossed their vote at a third party or just didn't vote at all. Following that, SCOTUS went from a 4-4 tie (with 1 vacancy) to 6-3 conservative advantange.

I wouldn't blame laziness, but instead a combination of apathy and people who are more interested in ideological purity than in accepting the available-better such that they would rather complain about the unavailable-best.

RBG refusing to retire in 2012-2014 also shares blame. She could have retired then and the court would be 5-4 instead.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do they defend so hard for like the one weird out of 1000 who openly waves a gun around that makes everyone extremely uncomfortable. People around open carriers don't think "wow freedom!", they get super fucking uncomfortable.

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[–] obinice 33 points 1 year ago

Damn, the US annexation of Hawai'i continues to hurt their nation :-(

I hope one day they can win their freedom back.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Why the fuck does anyone need a gun on the beach? I can’t think of one justifiable argument for needing one there.

[–] SheeEttin 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Land sharks

[–] PunnyName 11 points 1 year ago

Hmm. Fair point.

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[–] Khanzarate 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

But, what if someone sees an undesirable, having a good time, and simply wants to exercise their god-given right to harass them without fear of consequences?

How do you stand your ground at them without this most basic thing?

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[–] saltesc 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A well tanned Militia, being necessary to the security of a free Shore, the right of the beachgoers to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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[–] Burn_The_Right 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If they can't ban guns, they should ban conservatives instead. Problem solved.

Friendly Reminder: It is perfectly legal to discriminate based on political affiliation. Do your part to help fight conservatism by excluding conservatives in your daily life. It is not appropriate to conduct business or keep relationships with such people.

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[–] ilickfrogs 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

USA: Has major gun violence problem.

US legal system: yEw cANt tAYKE thUR fReeDUMB

[–] solstice 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh yeah, well what about MY freedom to go to a beach and not be worried about getting fucking SHOT? Why do THEY get all these rights and freedoms while WE have to suffer the consequences? I don't fucking get it. What about our rights to not get shot?

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[–] IzzyJ 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Who needs guns on the beach"

I'm trans. Id sooner never go. But if I had to, with the way things are going, you bet your ass I am afraid and would rather be armed

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As a trans person, would you rather go to a beach where nobody is armed, or to a beach where everybody might be armed?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Hell yes. Make guns a nonpartisan "nonissue." Armed minorities are harder to oppress, and gun control disproportionately affects minorities in marginalized and overpoliced communities. One state just removed the requirement for pistol purchase permits because (as it was designed to be in the first place since it was a Jim Crow era law) racist sheriffs were denying black people's permits, 60% of denials were to black people.