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US tourism industry faces drop-off as immigration agenda deters travellers (www.theguardian.com)

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The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.

High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.

Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.

Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.

Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.

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[–] fritobugger2017 7 points 10 hours ago

I won't be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.

[–] Treczoks 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.

Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.

Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?

[–] BackgrndNoize 4 points 11 hours ago

Initially some American prison then deported to some random country based on what he appeared to be to the racist in command in charge of making this decision

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

*Central American prison.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not the "immigration agenda", it's the "illegal captivity and deportations".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Nah, couldn't be the illegal imprisonment and torture random citizens and tourists have been experiencing.

[–] Lanske 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It's a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sometimes they detain people as they are trying to leave the US.

[–] Lanske 3 points 21 hours ago

True!

[–] Droggelbecher 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Man, I was going to go to a wedding there that was super important to me but now I'm SO torn.

[–] Lanske 5 points 21 hours ago

That's a shame! I can understand you're torn about it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why even go visit the US? There's nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won't be detained at the border.

[–] fritobugger2017 2 points 10 hours ago

For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.

[–] nlgranger 23 points 1 day ago

None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A 9% reduction seems low. I'm curious to know emigration numbers (I'm getting out of here myself)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn't easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.

[–] fritobugger2017 1 points 10 hours ago

it's only been 2 months

[–] khannie 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Look, I've been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I'm really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.

I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can't gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a "Welcome" from the border security on my way in.

It just wouldn't be a rational choice.

edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you're not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they're just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I will not be going back there until shit calms down.

Don't expect it for a long time. You talk about the Erasmus to teach people they're just like everyone else to prevent an internal war.

Here in the states, I honest to god cannot see how our two sides can come to a peaceful resolution and that terrifies me.

[–] fritobugger2017 2 points 10 hours ago

I know folks in Georgia, S. Carolina, and N. Carolina who've never been more than a couple hours drive from their birthplace in their entire lives.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is no means to a peaceful resolution when one side actively dreams of genociding or enslaving half the other side

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Pretty much.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hell, they want to enslave a chunk of their own side. Shouldn't be long until it's illegal to be too poor.

[–] Bytemeister 4 points 1 day ago

I feel like there is a /s I missed. It's already illegal to be poor here. Don't have a house/apartment to sleep in? Crime.

Can't pay taxes? Crime.

Wanna stay warm by burning a Tesla? Crime.

[–] madcaesar 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The thing that sucks is that the USA is awesome, it had great nature, great cities and good food / people.

The orange dipshit can't take that away.

That said, only visit / give your money to blue states, that's what I'm doing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The one thing that really came home to me traveling in the US was how unbelievably different different parts of it are. If you were an alien or otherwise didn't know where the borders of countries were you would not believe that Florida and DC could possibly belong to the same country they're so completely different in culture.

I honestly think that's part of the problem the US has, they only have two parties and that's nowhere near enough diversity to cover all of the different kinds of cultures the US has. I have to imagine people in North Dakota have completely different priorities to people in California. Yet there's absolutely no political recognition of that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago

Not just political but cultural, most of the great planes states were borne as nations during the height of the Cold war (the dust bowl kinda stalled/reset a lot of progress) which seems to have fucked them up weirdly. A lot of Americans can't seem to move past the fiction of a unified culture meaning they can't actually work within the reality of cultural and national differences. The United States isn't a nation it's 50+ nations in a trenchcoat descended from a shit tonne of different cultures and nations.

[–] madcaesar 3 points 1 day ago

You're absolutely right. The USA is so huge and diverse people don't even realize.

[–] Klear 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

good food / people

The rich, you mean?

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya 34 points 1 day ago

Is this what Project 2025 wants to happen? I heard 42% of their goals have already been implemented. Do they think that isolationism and going back to unilateral, strong armed foreign policy will work? And I thought the Nazis were really stupid...oh wait...

[–] xenomor 131 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I'm going to Canada and I'm really excited!

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