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Very strange indeed to pick Smedley. But actually like with many secret plots, if you go into the details, the conspirators can be surprisingly inept. The December plot to overthrow the Russian tsardom and replace it with a republic comes to mind. It failed because of lack of coordination, communication, and one of the major co-conspirators lost his nerve at the last minute and thus did not add numbers to the troops of rebels. There was plenty of idealism but it lacked the nerves and good plan execution.

Found a conspirator.

Although seriously, it's mentioned in the Wikipedia article that the investigating committee said there is strong evidence of the plotting. They didn't prosecute anyone becaus of course rich people won't be prosecuted. I have read rumours that Franklin Roosevelt may have made some backroom deal.

There are many on Lemmy, but they tend to be down voting instead responding when you criticise the thirty years of neoliberal policies of outsourcing and de-investment of public services is what made the working class, especially those in rust belt and others, embrace the far right. Instead, liberals blame people as being plainly stupid. Even if some respond, they shy away when you mention that jobs outsourcing without offering alternatives, and lack of affordable healthcare and houses are what made the poor vote for Trump. American liberals are remarkably similar in behaviour with those in Europe. They wonder why the far right is gaining ground, but are tone deaf even from experts who say the lack of jobs and affordable housing is what makes populist on the rise. The most obvious reason is that liberals don't want affordable housing because it brings down the value of their property. In California, it's the same NIMBYism and so is here in Europe. It's the socially progressive and yet economically conservative (this is what liberalism in the classical sense means) property owners do this as much as the right does. The former express sympathy for the homeless, but when there is proposal to build affordable housing they would object. Liberals just don't want to admit it.

Well the retired Democratic leaders still benefit from it. "You scratch my back I scratch yours." Hillary Clinton got the DNC nomination in 2016 primaries because she paid off DNC's debt; even though Bernie Sanders is the more popular candidate. The Clintons are out of politics but they are comfortable retired from the money they made while the country burns.

Speaking of Clintons, it is under Bill Clinton who started the outsourcing. Hence, why Trump ran on the platform of re-shoring jobs and is one of the main reasons he won out of many (but his approach to it is very brash by imposing tariffs in order to coerce American companies to re-shore). Neoliberal policies did not offer any alternatives and cast aside their concerns, which made the working class welcome the embrace of a demagogue. Ancient philosophers have made the same observations before about what makes demagogues popular but people never learn.

Anyhow since you are asking if there are any current liberals in politics who can be blamed, why not ask the current DNC on why they haven't picked Alexandria Ocasio Cortez for the Oversight committee? That's right, they don't want a progressive so as not to ruffle the feathers of the same oligarchs who support Republicans.

Liberals also love saying that to justify "vote blue no matter who." But what have the Democrats been doing differently other than giving breadcrumb policies?

Sorry liberals, but the truth is that you guys also benefit from the status quo at the expense of the working class but don't want to admit. Senior Democrat leader, Nancy Pelosi is, after all, the biggest player in the stock market earning millions. If America has a multiplural party system and could articulate their positions better, the Democrats are centre right and would be very much described as close to centrist French president's Macron neoliberal ideology. Socially liberal but economically conservative, and he's one of the most unpopular president in French politics. He dislikes the far right, and yet does nothing policy-wise to alleviate the working and middle class concerns which only slowly nudges them to the far right. Doing nothing economically and telling people to support the status quo is tacit support for the far right despite hating them on the outset.

Why not advocate for both if not either? And look, even countries with FPTP still has other parties gaining seats. Look at Minessota and Alaska. Just look at Canada and UK. You know why? Because they organise. They have solidarity.

Again, repeating the FPTP excuse and saying nothing will ever work is what the establishments want you to think to give up and be complacent. To stick with the status quo who wants you to be comfortable with breadcrumbs. Or condition you not to form solidarity with those whose jobs have been oursourced and provided with nothing, and becoming easily manipulated voters who will support the far-right.

Elon is the new Henry Ford. But I'm afraid we have no modern day Roosevelts to smack him down.

That's why it's crucial to also promote ranked choice voting alongside third parties. Even Alaska and Minnesota have ranked choice voting, and the latter technically has a third party running the state for decades in spite of caucusing with Democrats. Alaska is actually pretty progressive with its universal basic income in spite of being Republican, with its Republicans being forced to compromise thanks to ranked choice voting.

Going on and on about FPTP and doing maths will get you nowhere and that is precisely what the establishment from both traditional parties wants you to do. It's to discourage mobilisation by making you think in cold raw logic without thinking outside the box, looking for inspiration from outside, and acting. Socrates said theory is nothing without action. Action is more important at the end of the day.

Could be insurance to prevent being banned by admins for promoting violence, regardless of who is committing it and to whom being committed against. The r/ChapoTrapHouse got banned by Reddit for incitement to violence; chapotraphouse users went to fediverse to setup lemmy.ml.

It's always been like that. It's throwing mud and hoping it sticks.

Do they condemn violence against Nazis? As far I have yet seen, they are willing bedfellows to fascists when it comes to economic policies. But I haven't heard any liberals object to hitting Nazis.

Like I said, organise and start at local and state level and then work way up. Third parties are successful in state and local levels. And it's not like third parties also never got seats at the federal level either. Third parties had been more successful 100 years ago. You're being brainwashed to believe that it's hopeless. Americans forgot how to organise and mobilise. They simply have to remember it.