This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
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Honestly, you should've just known to not engage. Nothing productive will ever come out of it. That troll was already banned a long time ago, why dredge this back up?
LITERALLLYYYYYY like get over ittttt!
OP has actively said dozens of times they don’t intend to participate in any LBZ community ever again and has blocked the instance. Whether the rule is “good” or not aside, it’s so cringe of OP to be butthurt about it.
You should block drag. Drag is a known troll.
Hasn't drag be banned too, for harassment?
Yes, dragonfucker was banned from all of blahaj.zone for sharing DMs.
They were from 196 (old 196, not sure about the other one under new management) and a few other comms, but not from the instance to my knowledge.
Okay. I thought there had been a total account ban at some point, but not sure
Drag is a troll, and when you lie down with dogs you get fleas.
AFAIK an instance ban also bans you from every community on it that you have participated in, so that would be why it shows up like that.
YDI
Like it or not, it is a widely known fact that the exact things you said are instance bannable.
The instance rules as they exist are explained in multiple places, and it is our choice as users to either follow them or stay away. If we choose to do neither of those, banning is the only real tool an admin has with current lemmy development. If there were other options available, and the instance ban was applied as a first step, I'd say PTB (though it would be PTA in this case).
Seriously, I get that the world as a whole, and each given language has to figure out what is and isn't a gender, what is and isn't going to become part of the consensus of a language. I have my own opinion about that line, but this isn't the venue for that.
But that instance, they have drawn their line, and did so last year, before the events in these screen shots. It's like travelling to another US state, there are going to be some laws that differ, and it's the travelers responsibility to follow them even if they disagree with them, or there are consequences.
I get it, I do. But, I'm sorry, this is absolutely on you.
The problem here to my mind is that this was a ban for a "thought crime" and it was on another instance. OP always uses peoples preferred pronouns, even if he thinks they don't make sense, as in this case, so he hasn't broken any instance rules afaik. Is there a rule about not being allowed to even discuss neopronouns? On another instance? That is getting very dystopian imo. Unless someone can point to a rule that says you can't even discuss the topic of neopronouns, then this is clearly a case of over-reach imo. PTB
Both PTB and YDI.
They might have some militant admins, but you're also arguing about pointless shit.
Am I going nuts? I thought I saw this exact post like 2 weeks ago with all these comments, but now it shows up 2 hours old.
You were told that’s not the way to deal with trolls once, twice, a hundred times. Maybe listen to trans people about the kind of language they do and don’t want spewing everywhere in their communities next time. Your white-knighting crash out is honestly embarrassing, but the fact that you still refuse to listen to trans people about what makes toxic the space they made for themselves to be comfortable and safe for once on the internet is frankly worse.
Block. Report. Disengage. It’s fucking simple. YDI.
Thanks and utmost respect to Ada. I am so over this and so sorry people are like this.
It's not because you said "comms" to mean something other than "communications"?
Communities
It’s blahaj though, so it’s not really a huge loss. Let them circle the wagons around an embarrassing little troll that mocks transgenderism.
Yes, dragonfucker was banned from all of blahaj.zone for sharing DMs.
Right…. It took them sharing DMs to finally get banned after all the other drama they caused.
That little shithead feeds on drama.
Right…. It took them sharing DMs to finally get banned after all the other drama they caused.
"It's fine until it affects me" sort of thinking.
Yep. Exactly. They weren’t banned because of their trolling. They were banned for showing DMs which means- they’d still be allowed to keep making their drama had they not shared a few DMs it seems.
Who gives a shit
It's blahaj zone, at this point it's old news that they would literally welcome a person in blackface acting a caricature of a slave into a racially diverse community. They believe you hate mockeries of minorities because you hate minorities. I'm 🤏 very close to blocking the whole instance. So counterproductive.
Dragons aren't even real. An occupation, hobby, or sexual preference isn't a gender identity. First and second person pronouns aren't misgendering. So stupid how long that has went on. I'd get banned from the whole instance for this paragraph. Hey guess what, lines need to be drawn, and those who cross it should be removed. Would you want a Minecraft fan calling their Minecraft enjoyment a mental disorder a prominent figure in a community for people with mental disorders? Call out the fakers and ban them ffs. Yes, you can fake being transgender. For starters, you can't fucking transition into a dragon rider.
Edit: noticed more pictures on this post. Didn't dragonfucker literally harass draconicneo with porn, nudes, death threats, and suicide encouragement like? Why is draconicneo defending this good for nothing bully who never grew up? The gate should be kept to exclude offensive caricatures and fakers used to make minorities look bad. Hey guess what, they exist.
Ugh what's next, defending actual cis men playing in women's sports to win more and going in the women's restroom to rape people? Right, calling that out would be gatekeeping too huh? Yeah, that'll definitely have less people side with transphobic politicians. I hope blahaj does not get big like bluesky, they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
Just so we're clear. I've never defended dragonfucker in any way shape or form. Dragonfucker is an evil person who is utterly and completely beyond redemption.
Do not misrepresent my words here. What you and OP and people like you have done is to all attack the idea of neopronouns and xenogenders and defend gatekeeping and blatant transphobia. I do not support gender based gatekeeping in any way, and the dismissal of all neopronouns and xenogenders is offensive and harmful.
Ultimately when it comes to people like dragonfucker it ends up making a bad situation worse. It ends up making people think their only crime is "pRoNOuNs" and it makes it harder to actually speak up about them. When everyone was complaining about dragonfucker's pronouns I wasn't able to share what really happened effectively because of idiots drowning me out because they were upset they had to respect pronouns and refused to point out the real reasons dragonfucker is a troll and an evil person.
Why is draconicneo defending this good for nothing bully who never grew up?
What do you think would happen to an actually vulnerable person who really needs and values the queer-accepting space, if they went against the groupthink and started saying they didn't accept dragonfucker and in fact that person had done some messed up stuff?
(I have no idea if DraconicNEO is that, I'm just saying that anybody at this point who is in that category is now required to accept and be obedient to trolls, or else they will be ostracized too, and they clearly have more to lose from it than PugJesus.)
they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
I have no idea what the goal was from the blahaj admins, but from at least some of the trolls, I think it's pretty obvious that this is the point.
Not what’s happening at all. The admin just doesn’t want users to be the ones dealing with trolls by dogpiling them because it attracts more and amplified bigotry to an already vulnerable space. Users are asked to block and report troll users instead of misgendering and it works wonderfully.
Your comparison of LBZ to Nazi Germany is disgusting victim blaming and betrays a stunning lack of empathy.
The gate should be kept to exclude offensive caricatures and fakers used to make minorities look bad. Hey guess what, they exist.
They wanted freedom for marginalized folk to explore their gender identities - this is valid. Unfortunately, in search of that, they decided that that meant that no discussion or dissent could be made as to where the lines are on what gender is, or even whether there should be lines. This is gibberish.
I hope blahaj does not get big like bluesky, they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
Nah. Of all the factors sending LGBT rights backwards, backlash against weird groups who don't know when to stop isn't one of them. Would be like blaming racist backlash in the late 70s and 80s on Black Supremacists emerging during and after the Civil Rights movement. Or sexist backlash in the same period being in response to Lesbian Separatists and the like. Such people exist, and they're silly, but they're not influential on a scale larger than... well...
This. Here. Small communities.
YDI
You were banned by Ada because you keep dying on the hill of whether Drag's pronouns should be respected or not based on dragons being fictional creatures that don't exist in real life. This is the thread that got you banned: https://lemmy.world/comment/15410416
Drag was very obviously a troll and deserved to be called out for constant shit-stirring, but it's not up to you or anyone else to decide whether their pronouns should be respected or not regardless if it's a troll. Especially in an instance designed to provide a safe space for LGBTQ+ folk. Making such a big deal out of Drag's neopronouns not only distracted people from the very real problems Drag was causing with their shitty behaviour, but also made people rush to Drag's defense because it made them look like a victim rather than the instigator of drama and harassment they really were. You can call someone out for being shitty without resorting to bigotry, whether you recognize it as such or not.
Of course, Drag's gone now (well, until they make yet another alt) so this doesn't really matter anymore, but your continued gatekeeping of their pronouns is what ultimately led to your ban. This wasn't just a random ban, you brought it on yourself. Pick better battles next time.