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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Guster to c/android
 

Back in the day - rooting Android phones and installing custom ROMs were such a big part of Android. I remember so well using titanium backup and Greenify and Cyanogenmod and the list goes on.

Is it still necessary to root in 2023 though?

I have been on vanilla Android without root access for the past couple of years and at this point most root features have made it into the vanilla Android OS. What are your thoughts?

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[–] spacebot3000 63 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I've been a flashaholic since the CWM days, but I haven't rooted since probably 2017 or so. Back in the day, rooting was practically necessary for a good UX, but Android's matured enough now that I haven't had the need for a few years.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same. I still try to buy phones with ROM support in case something goes sideways, but I haven't used a custom ROM on my daily phone since 2016 or 2017 — and if I were to flash a custom ROM today, I still likely wouldn't root it. Things typically work well enough that jumping through hoops to un-break SafetyNet for banking and mobile payments and even some games is too much trouble.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Ah, good old clockwork mod. Back when installing a custom rom was simple. Unlock boot loader, flash custom recovery, use recovery to install rom and wipe, done! None of this a/b partition and "you have to be on this specific version of stock rom to Flash this" crap. Those were the days.

[–] Zak 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Necessary is a matter of perspective, and what it is you need your device to do. Mine is that if you don't have root (or equivalent) on a computer, you don't really own it. That's a philosophical point more than a practical one - I'd want root even if I didn't currently have a use for it.

Practically, here are some things I use root for in 2023:

  • Advanced charge controller - limit battery charge to extend service life. Some devices have a built-in option now, but it's usually only a single switch for 85%. I usually set it to 60%.
  • Backup of apps with their data (Neo Backup), to install onto another device or after a factory reset - I don't think there's a way to do anything like this without root.
  • Mounting remote devices for access by arbitrary apps using EasySSHFS - I don't think there's a good equivalent.
  • Accessing exfat format external drives, like the SD cards in my camera using MiXPlorer's built-in filesystem drivers. Android is an asshole for not supporting more filesystems. It's Linux; the support already exists.
  • Hosts file ad blocking - DNS ad blocking is a viable alternative now.

If something blocks me from using it with root, I'll give it a 1-star review on Google Play and probably not use it even if I can get around the blocking. If my bank starts using more effective blocking, I will probably change banks.

[–] solidgrue 22 points 11 months ago

I buy my phones outright, so that's MY equipment. I root it because I own it, full stop.

If a ROM or App tells me I can't be rooted then, like you, I won't use it. I have options.

Also, I'm the one paying for my data plan and I refuse to have ads leech on my rates. I will go WAY out of my way to suppress advertisers intruding on my browsing. That's pretty much the extent of my cyber-activism, but it's a hard line.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I used to root my phone, run custom ROMs and tweaks, the whole thing. Was basically forced to keep stock when I got a galaxy S8, and now I haven't rooted even with my past few pixels, it doesn't feel useful anymore. I might root my pixel 5 in the future as I plan to keep it for a long time, but right now I'm stock

[–] TheGiantKorean 16 points 11 months ago

I stopped rooting when I got my first Pixel. It didn't feel necessary any more. Most of the things I rooted my phone for were just there now.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Haven't rooted in years. Don't really need to anymore.

Plus root breaks my banking app and I need that.

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[–] pacjo 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Essential? no.

Worth it? maybe.

Nice to have control of your own device? absolutely.

I have two devices, primary with root (through Magisk as KernelSU still has some issues for me) and secondary without root. Anytime I have to do something more demanding on the unrooted device I really wish I had root. Local terminal access, ability to disable some annoying "features" (verified app links) and multiple other things I use daily make it worth it for me.

EDIT: I saw mentions of custom roms in other comments. I have a custom rom installed (AOSP based). If I was on a stock rom (or god forbid something like MIUI) root would be a must for me.

[–] sheogorath 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Since the proliferation of mobile banking that doesn't even work if you have your phone rooted and the manufactures getting more hostile towards custom ROM developer I practically have stopped modding my phone altogether. I used to be a guy who flashes ROM couple times a day. However now, especially I'm working remotely, I find myself on my phone even less. My phone has become basically only used for texting, banking, and Uber Eats.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I haven't felt a need to root a phone in years. These days you will get a usable UI and UX with basically all major brands and adblock can be done without root, so it's just not worth the hassle trying to hide the fact that you're rooted from banking apps etc. At least as far as I'm concerned, I'm sure that some people still see a benefit in rooting.

Edit: I actually just thought of a reason: updates once the phone is past its official support window but otherwise still functional (though you don't technically need root for that, just an unlocked bootloader, the new ROM doesn't need to be rooted either strictly speaking). I'd just buy a new phone, but that really just means I'm a part of the e-waste problem.

[–] prejudicedribs 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I been on custom ROMs for years without root. But recently, root has moved from magisk to kernelsu, which is a kernel based root solution. Much better than magisk in terms of avoiding detection and required no extra install if your kernel already supports kernelsu. I've started using root features again thanks to kernelsu

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Necessary for what? If you want to block ads system-wide, you can use the Private DNS feature. But to fiddle with system partition/install Xposed stuff you definitely need root

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Can't root, breaking Safetynet destroys about 30% of what I use my phone for.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What? There is a module for that called SafetyNetFix. I am fully rooted and can usw any App I want.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I still root my phone for system-wide adblock, call recorder and Xposed modules I have been using since Jelly Bean.

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[–] matt4542 12 points 11 months ago

I purchased my first Android phone at 13, the Motorola Droid. In less than a month, it was rooted running a custom rom. I rom hopped weekly, tried all sorts of hacks and modifications, and eventually started releasing my own (very crappy) custom roms. I did this all the way through until I had the G6.

I eventually started getting phones where I can unlock the bootloader, and for a bit I would root such as my Essential phone or my Pixel 3a or 4a 5G but since the Pixel 6 I haven't had any reason for perpetual root. I unlock my bootloader, and I root when needed and remove magisk when no longer needed. The cat and mouse game of trying to bypass detection alone makes it a pain when I have banking, work apps, etc that all validate hardware attestation.

[–] mwong56 11 points 11 months ago

Yes for swift backup and pixelify

[–] whoamibro 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Depends on what your necessities are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

I use Lineage faithfully so my phone stays rooted. Also, I live in the US where carriers aggressively lock down their phones so they can upcharge everything. the whole "your hotspot will work at 3g speeds" is one reason to root. Adaway is another reason to root as well. I'm too cheap for home internet so I tether to get online. US carriers (and cable companies) hate that and try to prevent it. root and VPN gets around that. unlimited 5g hotspot.

[–] j4k3 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The big thing now is Graphene OS on the Pixels. It is a custom ROM that works exactly like an OEM. The reason this works is because the Pixels ship with the same type of cryptographic hardware security chip as modern computers with TPM/secure boot. This chip makes it possible to create a verified chain of trust in the device so that Graphene can do over the air updates to the device. The ROM is configured with root disabled and the full Android 3 party lockdown user space for regular operations. You still have root through developer mode and USB if you need it. I've done custom ROMs for many years in the past, but nothing compares to the Graphene experience. As far as I am concerned, Graphene's list of supported devices is the entire list of available phones I will consider purchasing.

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[–] recluse 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

A lot of the reasons why I used to root simply don't exist anymore. Personally, I haven't unlocked the bootloader or installed a custom ROM since maybe Nexus 4. Plus now, as others have said rooting your device makes most financial related apps stop working.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I like vanilla Android, but many phone companies has their own version of it with meaningless pre-installed apps. I typically root and install vanilla OS and thats it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A custom rom isn't the same as rooting though. I've used custom roms without rooting them quite a bit, so my answer to op's question is that no it really isn't that essential, unless you need some very specific magisk module or something.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Even when I've done custom roms like lineqgeOS I haven't rooted. However when it comes to backing up apps root still does feel like the best way to back up specific app data with apps like swift backup.

[–] Anti_Weeb_Penguin 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I use it for Swift Backup only.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

blocking ads is as close to "necessary" as it gets for me.

rooting gets harder and harder with new android versions and devices - but it's been worth it for me every time.

lastly FUCK the app developers trying to block rooted devices, it's for their (sense of) security, not ours, and it's sad to see so many people in this thread bullied out of rooting by them

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Quite to the contrary, my phone doesn't even support rooting. Neither TWRP or any other alternative bootloader is written for the Motorola G73, and an image file isn't available to use with Magisk. I would love to root my phone, if I could.

[–] cokane_88 5 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

First time I rooted was in 2007 for installing CyanogenMod. After Cyanogen stopped updating I haven't bothered rooting my phones.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I still root my phone for Freezing System Apps, reVanced, AdAway(system-wide adblock), Shell automation, circumventing Hotspot restrictions from my Carrier.

I've also been a customization junkie before (mainly with audio mods and UI plugins for Exposed). Not anymore.

But since then rooting to me become not only a means to the end, but an essential part of my phone, as in I get to control and choose what and why is installed/active, not the Vendor/Google. I would root my phone even if I didn't had the need, just cause I like owning things, opposed to modern standard of "everything is a service".

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[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I keep my Android phone rooted because there's specific functionality that I use daily that's a pain to do without root.

It's not my primary phone so the fact that it's 3 years out of date in order to preserve my root doesn't bother me. But if it was my primary phone I'd probably look into workarounds to avoid needing root.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Rooting is more security compromising than it's worth. There are a small set of use cases I could see but for the most part do either or below.

If you have a Pixel you would want to run GrapheneOS for maximum security and privacy.

All other phones you would ADB remove bloatware, run PrivateDNS with NextDNS or an alternative, and turn off as much analytics/permission/features as possible for a functional phone.

[–] cyberpunk007 5 points 11 months ago

I used to root every phone I owned cause I could do so much more with it. I haven't rooted in so long, android does what I need now

[–] ConditionOverload 4 points 11 months ago

Most of the features that drew me to root my phone back in the day (2012 to 2015) are now in my phone by default. They've been adopted by OEMs as part of their official skins so it's not really necessary to root anymore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No. I still use custom Roms, but only ones I can relock the bootloader. I like GrapheneOS and CalyxOS.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I don't root anymore, not since I switched to GrapheneOS. It breaks the Android security model. On GrapheneOS it's like fortifying a castle and then blowing a wide open hole in the wall. Just didn't make any sense.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I used to on my Motorola RAZR for custom themes and the ability to double tap volume keys for track skipping or rewind. Now I have an app to to do that and some watered down system themes. Now I just don't cause I don't see the reason for rooting anymore. And random apps like McDonald's have started checking for root or unlocked bootloader's for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I haven't fucked with my daily driver phones for like 5 years. Sometimes I'll use apps like YouTube revanced or something for music... But honestly I can even do without that and get by with newpipe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

No but I think roms now are at an all time high for quality and stability.

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