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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So, food stamps are an agricultural subsidy. The reason they can buy junk food in the first place is because this is a hand out to corn syrup producers.

Good fucking luck taking on big ag with this idea, RFK Jr.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

My understanding is that this move can only be appropriately considered through the lens of the aesthetics of maintaining an effective culture war.

Like the racially charged tirades against “welfare queens” of the past, this pretends to deal with income inequality on a level that blames the victim only, while doing nothing for the systemic factors that create and maintain junk food dependency.

It’s like a school or church entity attempting to deal with widespread sexual abuse by making and enforcing dress codes on potential victims.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It’s funny cause the US school lunch program is garbage food

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago

Careful, they'll ban that next

[–] captainlezbian 32 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I was always told the democrats were going to ban junk food and raise my taxes. I voted for them anyways but here the republicans are going and doing it.

[–] pyre 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

yeah but he's doing it for poor people so it's ok because fuck poor people

[–] captainlezbian 1 points 9 hours ago

You say that but I keep fucking poor people and nobody ever gives me any governmental power… maybe I should try not being poor

[–] Snowclone 4 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Hitler was a bit of a health nut too, lots of anti smoking laws.

[–] captainlezbian 9 points 22 hours ago

True, the old school fascists loved physical ideals. Trump I could see going for anti alcohol laws as he's a teetotaler whose brother died to the bottle, but he's an obese man addicted to McDonald's.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This will do literally fucking nothing because food stamps don't cover grocery bills for anybody. You always have to subsidize it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

They also don't buy diapers, as per Marshall Mathers (2002).

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Least bad news from America in a week. Though if the junk food isn’t replaced with equal calories from healthy veggies, for the same amount of stamps, or however that works, it would be evil

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

if the junk food isn’t replaced with equal calories from healthy veggies, for the same amount of stamps

It won't be. This just ignores the fact that one of the reasons junk food is popular is because it's cheaper than ready-to-eat healthy food.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago

The actual problem: Many parts of America are food deserts where people do not have access to affordable nutritious food. This problem is exacerbated for those below the poverty line who may not have access to a vehicle.

But solving that problem is hard so it's just way easier to make sure that poor people aren't allowed to buy the food that is accessible to them. Making desperate people even more desperate... I'm sure that wont have any unintended consequences.

[–] AnUnusualRelic 12 points 1 day ago

And much more readily available. Decent food can be hard to come by in some places.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, I have dozens of healthy food programs ideas but I guess shortage of ideas isn’t the problem.

From my experiences with junk food diet, you feel extremely bad on it and when you are in hard situation you probably need to be in prime brain fitness without junk food brain fog. Prolonged junk food feels like intoxication almost.

So I think providing such vitamins and micro-elements for cheap/free should be very important to overall strategy of pulling people out of poverty.

If such were provided then discontinuing junk food support would be a next logical step.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But of course many much smarter people figured it all out ages ago already. What ‘~~left~~’ solid folks fail at is they don’t immediately understand that empathy and good plan isn’t enough but you need marketing.

In their honesty they often fail to see the appeal of the shallow and the allure of the superficial. All the skills alt right excels at.

They do not easily see or aren’t willing to, that you often need to trick or even lie or manipulate people to be in the position to do good things and/or to do them effectively on a big scale.

[–] captainlezbian 3 points 23 hours ago

Yeah I've been thinking a lot lately about how the left is so aware of the fact that we're correct we sometimes forget to actually sell it. We're a plain bottle of salicylic acid on the shelf next to a full display of the latest and greatest 100% genuine snake oil

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Why isn't our low-protein gruel wearing down his resistance?

[–] mrnarwall 2 points 17 hours ago

I need a new type of vote for when the post makes me sad

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

parasites are mostly protien and reproductive organs. if you ever dissected a parasitic worms you will be able to see it has dozens of uteri or male gonads.

[–] buzz86us 46 points 1 day ago (4 children)

How is he going to define this? Food is so processed that almost anything can be junk food.

[–] Glitterbomb 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's simple, just pay FDOGE(formerly the FDA) $100/mo and you can put a special blue checkmark on your food packaging to signify its not junk food.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Companies can buy checkmate subscriptions for $500,000 a month

[–] Glitterbomb 3 points 21 hours ago

Sorry, you're right, I was way too low. But let's be realistic it will be more like $420,690

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

As it applies only to food stamps, I guess that's the goal.

They'll fight those "welfare queens" (blegh) in court in order to not have to guarantee a minimum of survival.

[–] straightjorkin 13 points 1 day ago

Pasteurization is considered processing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

How is he going to define this?

Bahahha, they don't care about logical consistency. They are going to ban anything they think is "bad" and allow everything else. Trying to nail them down is like trying to staple jello -- there's no logical approach. Trump and Co. take flying by the seat of your pants to a new art form.

You can't get them on "gotchas" like this because they simply DO NOT CARE.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"And the poor shall not be allowed even the pleasure of sugary treats. Yea, they shall have their food stamps slashed for the sin of poverty."

Book of Jebus, chapter 6, verses 3 and 4.

Seriously, though, it seems like everything these people do is just to inflict more suffering.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Ezekiel 16:49

[–] Snowclone 35 points 1 day ago

Yeah. That's their whole aim. Make sure more people are a poor as possible and as beaten down as possible. These are the same politicians that don't want Walmart to pay their workers enough money to get off food stamps.

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[–] Noedel 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The problem is it's probably a good idea to get people in deprivation to eat healthier. It's also a reasonable claim that antidepressants are over prescribed.

However, if the alternative is unaffordable, the solution is just a punishment.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is just a pretext to reduce food stamp payments. Conservatives have used this rhetoric since the 90s to attack food stamp payments. “Welfare queens are buying STEAK with your tax dollars!”

And the overwhelming majority of antidepressants are prescribed on a voluntary basis, eg the people taking them are choosing to do so because they feel there is not a more viable option for them. There is a whole essay on why this is the case but just some key points: therapy is really expensive (often a therapist costs almost as much as a psychiatrist except it’s a weekly visit instead of monthly), effective therapy requires a lot of active buy in and effort that people often don’t have the bandwidth required to contribute due to external factors like oppressive work or family life, therapy requires a time investment, stigma, etc. essentially overprescribing is a side effect of massive systemic issues

So do you address any of these systemic issues? Do you address any of the issues related to the western diet being loaded with sugar and other carbs, that we have huge swaths of residential areas with no proper grocery stores around throughout a great deal of the US, or that our environments are so structured around cars that we walk like 50 feet a week, etc?

Nah, just create more financial stress for poor people who eat like all of us (eg, like shit). Punitive approach 100% of the time!

How about increasing the amount of ebt funds for people who do not buy an excessive amount of empty calorie food and drink? Create a base amount of funds that everyone gets and increase the amount by 2.5% for every 25% of funds used that are dedicated to “healthy foods”. So if you buy only “healthy foods” you get an extra 10% of your ebt allotment, and if you buy nothing but junk then you aren’t penalized (unless of course you count not getting the reward, I guess). But this isn’t punitive so americans hate it

Or maybe make regulations that any grocery store that opens more that 20 stores is required to maintain at least 1 store per 20 in an underserved area that will not be profitable. Adjust the regulation actively of course so that whole foods doesn’t just become 800 separate stores to circumvent the regulation or whatever. But this means that corporations have to do something to enrich communities at the expense of constant profits so americans hate it

Or any of the obvious shit people have gone on about for ages. Nationalized health care, shorter work weeks with improved wages, workers getting equitable shares of companies, robust pensions, unions, etc. but americans are brain washed to think this is commie bullshit

[–] AngryCommieKender 10 points 1 day ago

They are correct about one part. The welfare queens, like Walmart and McDonald's are absolutely buying steak and caviar with the money they save not paying their staff.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I wanted to float out there the argument that I've had some luck with, with Xtians.

"How many good people did Jesus want you to starve in order to make sure no one was having it "too good?" Because I feel like he just said to feed the poor, not to make sure they weren't eating too well."

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I mean, if they'd also improve the ability to get healthy food with those stamps it's not necessarily bad. But judging by who's saying it I somehow doubt that it's done with good intentions.

How do those food stamps work anyways? Can you use them like money? I'm not American so it's a foreign concept yo me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago

How do those food stamps work anyways? Can you use them like money? I’m not American so it’s a foreign concept yo me.

You get an EBT debit card with an amount of money based on some calculations that can only be spent on certain things (in the case of SNAP aka food stamps, you can only spend that balance on food). WIC is another subsidized food program that sometimes gets included when talking about "food stamps" targeting people with small children, which has a more restrictive list on what you can buy with it.

Some of the guidelines have been painfully dumb, even if there was an intended logic to them - like "no hot food" where the goal was to disallow restaurant purchases and purchasing pre-cooked meals because they are generally a less efficient use of the funds, but led to dumb shit like Subway noting that they sell subs cold and so could hypothetically still sell, then just offer to toast the sub post-sale so that the division was meaningless.

Then you have the abuses of the program that really do need fixed, like stores that are well known to be willing to buy certain stock from just anyone, at a stupidly low price. The idea being that you go to Walmart or wherever and buy up a bunch of product that you can buy on SNAP, take it to the store and resell it at a massive loss to launder your SNAP funds into regular cash. In my area it was certain convenience stores that were known to buy certain brands of soda in cases of cans for much less than they could be bought through legitimate channels as a way of laundering SNAP funds.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Given how many Americans are in food deserts where it's close to impossible to get anything but junk food, it's definitely an absolutely moronic move.
First you have to make sure that fresh and healthy food is available for everyone then you make this kind of move.
Not the other way around...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

If you want to know the quality of US education before current cuts...

I learned about food deserts in 7th grade. The teacher called it food desserts and went into great detail about how it meant places where you can only find desserts to eat like ice cream shops. It's a real problem for these areas because they don't have real food to eat and everyone is obese from only eating desserts.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I'm somebody who has food stamps. It's like a debit card that the government will load with money monthly. You can only use it to purchase food items. If your total bill at the store is $40, $20 of food and $20 of other household goods, then paying with the food stamps card will pay for the $20 of food. You'll still have to pay the $20 of other goods with your own money.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

So are they okay with healthier foods like steak, lobster, and avocado toast now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] meliaesc 1 points 18 hours ago

There's a percentage juice and ingredient requirements to not be in the "junk" category.

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