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The White House now claims Elon Musk is not leading DOGE, despite Trump previously stating Musk was in charge of the task force cutting $2 trillion in federal spending.

A court filing says Musk is only a senior adviser without formal decision-making authority. However, Musk’s tweets and Trump’s remarks suggest he has been directing DOGE’s activities.

The revelation raises legal concerns, as lawsuits argue DOGE violates the Appointments Clause by bypassing Senate confirmation.

A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.

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[–] DougHolland 34 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You lost me at "White House claims." Gonna need a reputable source, please.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 46 minutes ago

Or you know, impeach and remove the president who lied to the population about what was going on. He's a public servant as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

The ultimate game. Get into a position of power, work for free, your work is to guarantee you come out richer. Hire employees for "your" agency that is just a rebranded agency that already exists so no paperwork need be filed. Then, sound like a person of authority while "advising" said agency. Command those gullible 18-21-year-old kids to do unspeakable acts they're too young and immature to comprehend.

Kids end up being charged with the actionable crime, free "advisor" dude parachutes out the window to collect his solidified tax breaks.

[–] Sanctus 1 points 19 minutes ago

Oh, no, no, no. We're too old for this. If any action is to happen it needs to be done to Elon. We're not stupid. We know where these orders descend from.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

Reminder: this guy could be impeached and out of office in under 24 hours, but every single Republican is actively choosing to be a Nazi instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

If he isn't running DOGE then why the fuck is he in the white house with his booger eater all the damn time? And why did he get access to those documents? And why is anyone listening to anything that falls out of his incel mouth?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

We'll find out on paper, it's the little kid musk is carrying around to humanize himself that's listed as the director.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

Bratty little shit. Elon's kid seems like a snot, too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 54 minutes ago

Lol musk is carrying around a little standee of himself wearing a wig and mustache

[–] negativenull 3 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

I would say that usually the courts see through thinly veiled attempts to put up a fake separation between decision makers and their positions. But lately I'm not sure of anything.

[–] elav 100 points 5 hours ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 minutes ago

"It will become, potentially, the Manhattan Project of our time"

In that hundreds of thousands will die and millions more will have their lives shortened and worsened as a result.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago

To be fair, he's a very unreliable source.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Wow I can't believe Trump would just lie like that.

[–] Mog_fanatic 5 points 1 hour ago

It wasn't a lie. Just an alternative fact.

[–] elav 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Another day in Trump’s life.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

"The day Donald Trump came to your village and lied to you was a Tuesday. For Donald Trump it was also a Tuesday."

[–] Darkard 7 points 3 hours ago

But he told you it was Wednesday and you believed him

[–] Sanctus 5 points 4 hours ago

Another day in the minefield, another lie is sold

[–] Nikelui 114 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

"I'm not the head of the department, it's just an empty shell company with a puppethead that follows my every whim."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

This is unironically functionally the same as how 'Sovereign Citizens' attempt to escape legal liability.

You see, you're suing a legal entity that isn't me.

But also, I can act with, as, and through my legal entity.

But also also, I'm not actually responsible for anything bad I do, because my legal entity did that, not me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

The sad state of our laws are such that they could set up a S-Corp or C-Corp and act in official capacity of that corporation literally get away with murder.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 hours ago (7 children)

~ President of the United States, 2025

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 hours ago

"Musk leads DOGE"

"...that's illegal."

"No, no, no musk doesn't lead DOGE, he advises. Someone else leads it."

"...so you bypassed the Senate, also illegal..."

"No, no, you don't get it. Jesus takes the wheel here. It's God that runs it! You don't hate God do you!?"

[–] spankmonkey 54 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.

Best we will get is a superficial ruling that says he can't do it while he continues to do it and there will be absolutely zero consequences nor will all of the people who he fucked receive any form of justice.

[–] SinningStromgald 17 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Depends on how far Judge Tanya Chutkan is willing to go see her order(s) enforced. She famously has no love for Trump and his law breaking. Even so any ruling negative to Trump will probably get appealed to the Supremely Corrupt Court and get overturned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 49 minutes ago

It's actually not very fun watching a country fall to fascism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

Well the key here would be to get a state to press the charges based on her ruling and then put out a warrant for Musks arrest, that way Trump can't pardon the arrest nor can Musk freely travel the country as extradition laws would take hold.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I suspect one of two things are happening, or maybe a mix of both:

  1. Trump doesn't like the insinutations that he himself isn't in control.

  2. Musk's public image issues are now affecting the bottom lines of his companies.

These things are direct results of both men being complete imbeciles. Nothing more to see here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

They aren't imbeciles. They are pursuing their objectives in ways that are inconsistent with US Law and tradition and when they run into trouble they obfuscate as much as possible to forestall the consequences.

As an example read the court filing from Joshua Fisher (pdf warning). If you read 3 & 4 carefully you'll come to the understanding that Musk is a SGE of the WHO with the Job Title "Senior Advisor".

Then you run into #6 where the text turns itself inside out trying to explain that the US DOGE Service Temporary Organization is under the umbrella of the US DOGE Service which is separate from the White House Office (that employs Musk) but the US DOGE Service is still a component of the Executive...which Musk works for.

Once you are done bending your noggin' around all of that you are probably too tired and confused to ask the most important question. If Musk isn't in charge of DOGE then who is?

We all know it's Musk but they can't say that nor can answer the question with someone else's name because then the jig would be up and they'd be hosed. They need it to be Musk for popularity reasons but they also need it to not be anyone at all so that no one can be held responsible.

They know what they're doing. Don't assume for a single second that they don't. You aren't seeing stupidity, at least not on this, you are seeing methodical, planned, and deliberate attempts to confuse the issue in order to escape consequences and oversight.

[–] FMT99 31 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
  1. They are purposefully sowing more confusion. All the chaos being a smokescreen to hide the obvious fact that they have both hands in the public coffers and are grabbing what they can.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, that's it, they're flooding the zone with horseshit.

[–] grue 13 points 4 hours ago

It's Schrödinger's control: for the purpose of having executive authority over the project 2025 policy agenda he is in control, except when doing so is illegal in which case he isn't. The status depends on who's looking, as it is always exactly the status that evades accountability.

[–] Sanctus 47 points 5 hours ago

Good leaders dont sow chaos and confusion

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"Don't look at the man behind the curtains!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Precisely the first reference that popped into my head 🤣

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

Tell all of your wealthy friends that Musk/Trump has all of their social security, address, work history, salaray history, etc. in their hands, right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

The boomers on Facebook are acknowledging this and giving excuses already.

"He's rich so he doesn't need to steal your money."

"He needs this to audit the IRS. He doesn't care about your information"

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

"All your information is already out there from other government leaks so this doesn't make any difference"

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool 3 points 1 hour ago

Wealthy friends lol

[–] MostRegularPeople 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The current argument is "you give your SSN, address, salary etc to the bank, your employer, the DMV, etc. They all want something from you. The world's richest man doesn't need your money, so why are you afraid of giving him all your information?"

It's basically "if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide" but with your identity and life savings and social security.

[–] pivot_root 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Billionaires don't become billionaires by being good people, but they would respond to that idea with some horse crap about the American Dream™

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Billionaires don’t become billionaires by being good people

And some millionaires. Musk and trump now have all the info on them to blackmail with. He's a mob boss in real estate and casinos, of course he's going to blackmail them.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

All right, who's making the decisions then?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 35 minutes ago

I like the answer that [email protected] gave.

It’s Schrödinger’s control: for the purpose of having executive authority over the project 2025 policy agenda he is in control, except when doing so is illegal in which case he isn’t. The status depends on who’s looking, as it is always exactly the status that evades accountability.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 hours ago

Elon, they're lying.

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