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You see, this is how Palestinian, resistance groups, and all colonized countries feel when Europe and North America made sure to suck the living resources out of them, making them cheap labour if they decide to escape their land.
In this case, Trump is treating Ukraine the same way they treat south america and other small nations.
If this will happen expect Americans to die in terrorist attacks.
What I am most curious about is how long ago Trump and Putin first had a discussion about this arrangement, and what the quid pro quo details are. Because of course there is one.
Have we forgotten that Trump has no power in Ukraine. All this means is that Europe has to provide a bit more funding.
Honestly, not even that much.
Keep fighting Russia without the US. Tell Trump to pound sand.
Not really feasible. The US has intelligence assets, spy satellites, AWACs, munitions spare parts, etc. that Europe can’t easily replace or doesn’t hold the rights to distribute to Ukraine without US consent.
There is a reason the US doesn’t have universal healthcare.
The US has enough money for both universal healthcare and our obscene military budget, we just choose to only have one.
[edit: responded to the wrong comment. Moved]
I guess my comment here would be that you may not have either of them soon. Trump has talked about cutting military spending in half. He is certainly not going to spend that on healthcare.
As funny as that joke is (and I have certainly laughed at it I the past), I do not believe the US is indispensable in the fight against Russia. Incredibly helpful yes. It will be a big loss. That said…
If the rest of us stay engaged, Ukraine will have what it needs.
I am much more concerned that the US will drop sanctions against Russia. Draining Russia’s bank accounts is critical.
Worse, as countries like Canada move their energy sales away from the US, I can see the US becoming a customer of Russian energy.
Also worried about Germany…
Oh man. He doesent care if he has power in a country or not, he just tried to free the Tate bros in Romania.
He just feels like the king of the world. We should not validate this feeling...
Ukraine is already struggling immensely with the US support. Imagine what will happen without US support.
The biggest problem is likely to be Trump ditching the sanctions on Russia. Or even becoming a customer of Russian energy.
Ditching the sanctions is likely considering they harmed the hegemony of the USD.
The US has not really done all that much. That said, as above, others would have to step up.
But the US has mostly been sending old stock and then replenishing their own. All the money they claim to be sending is being spent in the US.
And anything actually new has been very, very slow rolled. Canada made the mistake of piggy-backing purchases on US orders. Air defence systems Canada fully funded (money to the US) in early 2023 are only being delivered now.
That’s not quite accurate. The U.S. is the country that has provided the largest support to Ukraine. Congress has voted $175 billion for Ukraine. About half of that was sent to them and the other half was spent domestically to help them.
Or US supporting Russia.
If Ukraine says no, Trump's going to double down on the "it's Ukraine fault" narrative and start supporting Russia to promote "peace"
Until recently the US supplied a lot of weapons to Ukraine. That did give US official opinion a lot of weight.
Since Trump and his Republican followers have stopped all aid to Ukraine this influence has evaporated. Why would you care about the opinion of someone who has literally just left you to die?
Well, Europe needs to grow a pair and tell Trump to fuck off. We need to accept that he is leaving Nato, and European countries need to take it over or set up a new organisation. He can make any deal he likes with Russia; Europe and Ukraine can just tell him no and show him the true limits of his power. He cannot dictate to Europe and he is not our president.
In Canada, the public discourse has finally caught up with this. We'll see how long Europe takes to get past the denial stage.
After JD Vance's little trip to Europe, a lot of European countries are beginning to consider the US to be an adversary.
It very plainly is an adversary to any country that values freedom. Land of the oppressed and home of the cowardly.
Europe is not united enough. Lot's of states deal with their own rise of fascism. It's depressing.
So many assasinations in world history, they really arent that rare of a thing.
I am so fucking embarrassed to be an American. Fuck this country and its “leaders”
Who had Trump and Putie collude to Own Ukraine on their Fascist Dictator Bingo cards?
That's the free space
I had "Ukraine is fucked" as the first thing on my list of outcomes if Trump won the election. Does that count? 😔
So basically 1939 again, with Ukraine playing Poland, and you all know who the US are playing.
Credit to Putin, it's a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.
Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.
What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.
The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.
If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.
The time to stand-up to Trump is now.
Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.
Imagine telling Americans during the second red scare, about the political climate of today. History is weird.
Pretty sure this is just part of the "give them a terrible deal they wouldn't agree to" strat that means Trump can say "we gave them a very good deal and they refused, Russia can do what they want".
It's all bullshit and always has been.