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According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.

The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.

The Telegraph noted, "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924."

Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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[–] HexesofVexes 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Credit to Putin, it's a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.

Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.

The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.

If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.

The time to stand-up to Trump is now.

Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Imagine telling Americans during the second red scare, about the political climate of today. History is weird.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] A_Random_Idiot -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

No, don't Fuck the US. I dont want to pay for Trump and kins sins.

Just fuck Trump, Musk, and the republican party and its support/propaganda network.

I will gladly endorse having foreign forces enter america to arrest these traitors to humanity, to take them to the hague for trial and execution.

[–] treesapx 5 points 2 days ago

As an American, we are all going to suffer and the earlier the better. Time and time again we see that the only way Trump supporters change is if they are personally affected. Thus we all need to pay in order to see change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Too many people think that everyone in the US deserves to suffer just because 23% of us voted for the Orange Shitstain, and that's if you believe nobody "found" him some extra votes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Too many Americans think the rest of the world can afford to think of Individual Americans right now.

The USA is attacking other countries. What individual US citizens think about that is irrelevant unless they can stop him. If they cannot, the rest of us need to treat the US as a single entity and defend against it accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Do you know how many Germans voted for Hitler's party in 1933? It was 26.4%.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's because 51% of you didn't vote against him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

More than that, the numbers I keep seeing thrown around are that Harris got 75m votes, Trump got 77m, and 90m didn't bother voting.

[–] angrystego 1 points 2 days ago

The reality is that the EU states are falling out.