Yeah, I experience a bit of cognitive dissonance whenever I remember conservatism and conservation have very little overlap.
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It's almost like most conservatives are after something else....
In conservation, you want to protect and restore the natural world.
In conservatism, you want to protect and restore the social hierarchy.
Seems to fit?
If you’re falling to the myth of being a strong independent … person …. Pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, solar and wind are local energy sources without foreign dependencies, and scale both up and down. This should be right up their ally.
I don’t want to be on the Texas electrical grid because of all their blackouts: Deisel generators are noisy and I have to depend on someone to fill the tanks, but I can put solar on my roof and batteries on the side of the garage and be independent. Zero fuel costs. zero have to depend on anyone. —— why isn’t this their line?
I work in municipal development and permitting.
Texas has had a HUGE surge in solar panel and backup generator installation over the past 4 years.
But the power companies have taken notice. The biggest part of a lot of power bills now isn't usage, but fees for being connected to the grid at all. And connection to the grid is required for a Certificate of Occupancy if you're in a city, and to get insurance or a mortgage even if you're in the county where permits aren't required.
You can't even create a legal lot in Texas without having electrical service to the lot.
Freedumb!
Texas conservatives making rational decisions based on real properties of the physical world?
At least Texas can still give us great comedians too!
Because it is change and visibility they are concerned with. Not the things they claim.
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I used to challenge conservatives on their nationalism and patriotism whenever it came to infrastructure and renewable energy. The idea was they should get behind efforts to beat, say, China at building rail and ports. We should be the standard bearer for solar, wind, and nuclear!
Turns out they aren't patriots and they're bad at nationalism. They're just lazy and racist.
To be fair, wind is also a form of solar power. (Wind being caused by the difference in heat between the different hemispheres/poles & the rotation of the earth)
So wind & solar power are indirect & direct long-range nuclear energy sources, respectively.
In the end, all power is solar power
Tides and nuclear power aren't.
That comes from the energy from earth's rotation. That energy is left over from the formation of the sun.
Plus nuclear wouldn't work without fissionable elements, which wouldn't be here without supernovae aka dying suns.
Which is why we need to finally develop fusion, to free us from the tyranny of power of stellar origin!
...if you ignore the fact that fusion is basically replicating what a star does, that is
"Watch and dispair, oh mighty stars, how we have enslaved your children to release us from your tyranny!"
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wind and solar are not popular for conservatives because they were left talking points first. which obviously means it's wrong, libtards owned yet again
Their biggest problem is that there's not big money in them. Once you have solar power on your house, you don't need to keep paying them every month. Where's the fun in that for the rich?
Donald Trump also said that they'll run out of wind if they start wind power farms.
So he thinks humans can affect the environment? Sus
You might find you can fuel your car with solar. This is America, if you don't make more money to pay your extortionist, you're a douchebag.
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If you go far enough right, solar and wind are extremely popular. Very much leads to some weirdness when I was researching solar for my house, and kept stumbling into prepper communities and the like.
Go far enough left, get your guns back. Go far enough right, get your clean energy back.
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Maybe if we change the angle like "WE'RE TAKING THE SUN'S ENERGY AND THERE'S NOTHING IT CAN DO ABOUT IT" if we''re being mean to the sun maybe they'll like it better.
"Actually Natural Gas" "Orbital Fusion"
I mean Natural Gas is as natural as Iron or Coal. The problem is extracting and burning it is causing issues.
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Raw air and bleach ray collector.
Gotta love the hoax that Windmills and Solar "Aren't feasible"
Energy independence should just be renamed foreign-free energy
Rebranding "let's stop using oil to save the planet" into "let's stop using oil because fuck those arabs" might convince some conservatives
I'm honestly wondering this. Renewables reduce dependency on foreign countries, so using them can be interpreted as a patriotic act. They make sense, geostrategically, not just for saving earth but also for reducing the leverage other countries have over yours. This could be something that both, green activists and nationalists, can jointly agree on. I don't get it.
I think the problem, as it often is, is big businesses lobbying for continued relevancy at the cost of societal progress.
This. Tbh most conservatives I've talked to say shit like "solar would be great if it were viable/cheaper to install," they're not against it really, they just don't think it works well enough yet, which is largely due to the efforts of lobbyists.
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Even works down to the state level. My state, Wisconsin, has no coal mines, no oil wells, and no natural gas wells. The closest thing we have to any of it is the best sand for fracking. Otherwise, every dollar of energy we spend ends up leaving the state one way or another.
Unless, that is, we do something intelligent, like building an offshore wind farm on Lake Michigan. Though I'm sure someone will complain that we're killing the whales.
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The "right" aren't right though, they're wrong. They should be called "far-wrong" instead of "far-right", imo, as their stances on many things show.
What if the left "cancels" solar because its power source causes cancer? Also, something something starts fires in blue states.
Tell them that they need to stop using wind and solar or else in 100 yesrs we'll run out of wind and sunshine. We're talking about "adults" who have the toddler mentality of "DON'T TELL ME NO 😡".
Supporters likes kickback from oil subsidies, fossil fuel deregulation, and supression of competitive technology. That's the angle.
...Maybe solar/wind companies should name themselves things like "Exon"
They don't like nuclear either. Too green. You only need a little drilling and everyone can do it.
They only like things they can regularly drill or mine for so it's tied to owning special land.
Anyone can set up nuclear, solar, and wind power. They're not getting rich off those.
Does the right like nuclear? I thought they didn't. It's pretty clean efficient energy, though it has been overtaken in recent years by wind and solar for cost.
They like nuclear and hate regulation, so that’s a match made in heaven for disasters.
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The right likes nuclear when they can drop it on someone.
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Get the left to protest and Pickett against solar and wind. Say it’s fascist nonsense. The right will jump on it
They like geothermal though, for the simple reason that it's actually cheaper in the long run. Also solar is nice because you can live off the grid. But otherwise it's not very popular among conservatives because the cost effectiveness in the long term isn't quite there. They aren't motivated by the idea of green energy, it's a simple cost calculation.
But that's completely bullshit. Solar and wind are so fantastically cheap that finding a way to deal with the capacity factor isn't a big deal.
The new geothermal solutions are impressive and should open up a lot more possibilities, but don't assume they're being honest about any of it. They've advocated for nuclear for decades without actually building new nuclear plants.
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That’s why we couldn’t end dst, calling it the sunshine protection act.
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