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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

So, rather than make it.a choice, the Reich Wing is anti-choice. As typical.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is just begging for malicious compliance.

You want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck my email is trying to say.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the article it specifies you to remove pronouns from your email signature. Definitely less fertile ground for malicious compliance, but it's still doable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

End every email body with "For your response, I am referred to using (feminine/masculine/any/whatever) pronouns"

[–] Maggoty 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Replace it with "[Insert Pronouns Here]". Make sure to have your desk already cleaned out though.

[–] humorlessrepost 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Does the reader want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck the writer’s email is trying to say.

Could be fun. I bet ChatGPT could automate it.

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[–] Nalivai 4 points 1 week ago

You

FUCKING PRONOUNCE turns red and screams

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Think it is important for people to remove all pronouns from documents. Without, people will be more free to interpret what these messages mean to. This type of malicious compliance will only go so far, sadly.

[–] turbowafflz 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Comment used it, these, and this. Please remove offensive pronouns, children may be present and children must not learn the english language

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

children must not learn the english language

Reminds me of...

The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought—that is, a thought diverging from the principles of Ingsoc—should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words. Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and often very subtle expression to every meaning that a Party member could properly wish to express, while excluding all other meanings and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and by stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings, and so far as possible of all secondary meanings whatever. To give a single example. The word free still existed in Newspeak, but it could only be used in such statements as “This dog is free from lice” or “This field is free from weeds.” It could not be used in its old sense of “politically free” or “intellectually free” since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were therefore of necessity nameless. Quite apart from the suppression of definitely heretical words, reduction of vocabulary was regarded as an end in itself, and no word that could be dispensed with was allowed to survive. Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've said it before, I remember reading this novel as a teen and finding the parts about language to be boring and far-fetched.

Looking back, it was probably one of the most important things that Orwell discussed. That shit is incredibly powerful, and it fundamentally shapes how we think and view the world without us even realizing it.

[–] pdxfed 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I remember reading Thomas Paine in high school and most of the students couldn't even understand it. That stuff was printed for the average bloke 200 years ago. The stuff that helped light the American populace to take up arms and overthrow tyrannical rule isn't even comprehendible to our poorly educated populace now. Being a genius isn't required to foment revolution, but common language is, literally and figuratively.

If you haven't learned vocabulary, your brain struggles to conceive, identify and of course use it in course of thought. One of the reasons right wing news and cable so often misuses and deliberately butchers important words like traitor, fascist, etc. is they want to strip them of their very important meaning so they aren't notable when used.

[–] MutilationWave 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

21% of adult Americans are considered to have low English literacy. Two thirds of these people were born in the US. This basically means they can read the words in a paragraph, but not understand the meaning of the paragraph. A further 4% are functionally illiterate.

This is disgusting.

Fuck "No Child Left Behind". Kids shouldn't pass elementary school without being able to deduce the meaning of a paragraph unless they have a mental disability. I don't care if they have to repeat 5th grade three times. And of course any non passing student should be offered tutoring for free long before they get to the point of being held back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The demonization of pronouns is a subtle way to get that illiteracy rate higher.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I had my son read this book. He was partway through and began exclaiming how much it paralleled today.

[–] idiomaddict 5 points 1 week ago

Hugely pedantic here, but only “it” is a pronoun there (specifically an anticipatory subject, a kind of expletive pronoun), the others are adjectives.

[–] Ensign_Crab 9 points 1 week ago

They should replace all pronouns with [redacted].

[–] socialmedia 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So is it alright to just assume trump is female? The email signature no longer states her preferred pronouns, so I think this is what she wants?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

She did sign that executive order designating everyone as female, too.

[–] superminerJG 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)
  • I → (the) speaker/writer
  • you → (the) listener/reader, pl. (the) audience
  • they → that person, pl. those people

The writer believes that such an idea is quite stupid. In fact, the writer believes that the audience will find this language extremely obtuse. These methods will only cause more pain to the federal employees in question.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't forget pronouns like who, mine, and ours. In fact, here's a list of >100

Someone should write a script that completely replaces these with BS standins

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I think we need a tool that automatically rewrites text to remove all pronouns, but I'm not even sure that is possible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I guess Trump doesn't want to be referred to as He/Him

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appears-accidentally-declared-every-174749266.html
Hmmm, I see...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

my new bio: (masculine neutral/masculine possessive)

[–] TheRealKuni 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

my new bio: (masculine neutral/masculine possessive)

Isn’t it nominative/objective?

I don’t see “he/his” or “they/their,” I see “he/him” and “they/them.”

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[–] superminerJG 3 points 1 week ago

but they banned mentioning gender, change it to (identifying with the societal archetype of the sex producing the small reproductive cell)

[–] GraniteM 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How does this hold up against a first amendment test?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

When "What Trump wants goes" is all the Supreme Meme Court cares about

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well like any other employee, you can say whatever you like, but you might get fired for it.

I don't see how the first ammendment applies here.

That said, I think this is a stupid and mean spirited order. It is by design trying to continue the exodus of federal employees while also the tyrannical denial of being able to identify people however they find appropriate for themselves.

[–] JustARaccoon 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well it's not a private entity hiring them, it's the actual govt. Usually the defense is that those are private companies and they can do what they want but that doesn't apply here

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[–] Maggoty 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because their employer is the US Government. The very entity the 1st Amendment protects us from.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It'll never have to

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
  • Name is Alex/Jordan/Leslie
  • Not allowed to clarify gender
[–] Pacattack57 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wouldn’t the world be better off if no one knew each others gender? If you’re a cis man and find yourself attracted to another man? Congrats you’re gay now.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hope you're not named Elle.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Trump's idol **inrich ***mler would be offended too!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

nul42 would stop using pronouns completely and just use genderless nouns or proper names instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago
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