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What I never understood is why don’t the free speech absolutionists embrace lemmy?
The fediverse should be the epitome of self determination, individualism and saying whatever you want to say without some higher power telling you that you can’t…
Hence why I don’t think conservatives today are truly right wing, they don’t really do the shit they claim they are all about.
Hence why I don’t think conservatives today are truly right wing, they don’t really do the shit they claim they are all about.
They never did, except maybe in the 80s or someshit
Right so saying I want a truly conservative voice has some merit and doesn’t mean your inviting the trolls that claim they are cons and instead are just contrary.
Such a bummer the 80s futuristic look ever caught on past then, car dashes that made you feel like you are on the enterprise were awesome.
Uhh, I think you posted to the wrong thread lmao
That doesn't make it less true, does it?
Lol no, no it does not
Idk, maybe they just really like talking about car dashboards.
I'll take a non-maga right wing user over a tankie any day. It's not even close.
Why? It's similar but worse, driven by irrational anxiety with less reason and more potential to do the world harm...
I'm lost. What is a tankie?
Authoritarian Communism or Socialism. They are generally in favor of a strong military and central state government that projects power and maintains social order, and ideally social progress through strict law and order methods people who look at Mao and Stalin as necessary or a net gain at least, hopefully they aren't into Pol Pot's methodology, as it was clear his primary objective was to constantly purge his own supporters while trying to starve and kill anyone that wasn't a multi generational rice farmer of strictly Cambodian ethnicity or identity. But Pol Pot isn't like totally out of pocket for what they'd like to see happen either. So yeah. Authoritarian Communism or Socialism, police state, rolling tanks over disodances. Hence Tankies.
They are not called tankies because of rolling tanks though
The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.[6][7]
From Wikipedia
wdym?
who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks
Do you actually don't know, or is this step one of a contrarian about to start their brilliant exposé?
Lets assume this is sincere and you don't have access to a search engine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
edit: 2 years on Lemmy and you don't know what a tankie is, lucky you
I'm asking since i was wondering what they meant by it. Have seen the word but never bothered to look it up, and instead of infering the meaning I asked.
Don't use Wikipedia as a source if you want to come off as serious. Thats like, middle school level knowledge, at least in our schools. You still haven't told me, and I guess that i'll find several definitions, cause that's usually how it goes.
Don’t use Wikipedia as a source if you want to come off as serious. Thats like, middle school level knowledge, at least in our schools.
I was spot on.
Unfortunately, the Blue would be shaking hands with the Conservative.
Hexbear literally promoted Trump before the 2024 election. Tankies love Maga.
They're is no definition of conservative that would apply to Trump or any maga. They are much further right than that.
Wanting to undo progress made and empower old ideologies is the definition of the words politically conservative.
That's Trump's whole agenda.
This screams that people with different opinions aren't people with valid opinions and lead to further dialectic conversation, and I reject that premise.
Conservatives should be welcome. Everyone should be welcome.
I haven't seen a person identify as a conservative on Lemmy without also a shitheel about civil rights.
I disagree, Nazi's have zero place anywhere in society outside of a history book.
They're not Nazis. Calling them Nazis just makes it easier to do this stuff
I don't think they were saying they're Nazis; unfortunately, many people can't recognize the harm a group does if that harm is slow or "off-screen" (like the poverty or civil restrictions most conservative policies inevitably result in).
I think they were just using a conservative group such as the Nazis since it'd be much more obvious to the average person as to why we need to draw a line, with some groups, and cleanly indicate why OP's blanket statement that "everyone should be welcome" can't possibly be true.
There are those who view this offer to share their thoughts and existence as an opportunity to permanently terminate the same of others.
Are "they" in the room with us right now?
I disagree, Nazi's have zero place anywhere in society outside of a history book.
I never even said who was a Nazi, just that they don't have a place in society.
way to miss the point...
They're openly fascists. I don't know why you're trying to split hairs. They're not hiding it.
What if they’re Nazis in Ukraine? Weren’t you agreeing with anti-tankie sentiment in other comments?
Nazis in Ukraine are still Nazis. Fortunately, there weren't very many Nazis in Ukraine, and Russia just used that as a scapegoat, and only a fool would believe otherwise 😊
Jesus Christ so many of you on here are in love with your echo chambers aren’t you? Every other day there is something about instance wars and oh let’s see, whom do we want to exclude today. You don’t have to like what others have to say, but you have to be able to listen to them.
You act like we only exist on this forum. Some of us have conservative family members and coworkers that we have to hear from constantly. You have to hear a none stop spew of hateful bullshit and the moment you voice any disagreement, they start shouting at you.
They have very few ideas, none of them are new and I've already heard every single one.
No you don't. Fascists shouldn't be given time of day. People who don't act with integrity or good faith don't get to sit with civilized society. The ideas aren't valid and don't have any merit. They come from uneducated people who have had their head filled with hate and prejudice. They're not good citizens or decent people. They're hate filled time bombs. They're so mentally weak they gave into hating other people based on prejudices talking heads have them.
They don't get a seat. They're opinion is not valid. They should be ostracized by all civilized society until they stop being antisocial and destructive.
And that's the nice, merciful and patient option.
but you have to be able to listen to them.
Not when they're absolute shit takes, hate speech, denial of basic facts, misinformation, propaganda or intolerance we don't.
Right-wingers have long abandoned sensible debates for hate and anger, pointless "identity politics" and sucking off Trump
Tankies refuse to accept any and all criticism of the totally-not authoritarian Chinese/Russian governments no matter what facts and evidence is presented to them