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[–] aeronmelon 195 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Snowflakes: "It is offensive for a westerner to wear a Japanese kimono. You are not Japanese!"

Native Japanese: "We insist you wear this kimono so you feel like part of the group."

Based on a true story.

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[–] [email protected] 172 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Cultural appropriation is when you take something sacred or special and don't treat it with respect. Sombreros and parkas are just clothes.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Thanks for explaining. I never understood the American outrage about cultural appropriation but it's just about respecting sacred symbols from other cultures? Sounds about right, please feel free to dress as a Frenchman with beret and baguette as long as you respect our no-tipping policy.

Next item to discover on my list: why are Americans so upset about "black face". And that's what I witnessed in Sevilla (Spain) recently which did not seem racist to me at all: https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2023/01/05/polemica-espana-blackface-reyes-magos-trax/

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Next item to discover on my list: why are Americans so upset about "black face".

That's because of minstrel shows. They were American comedy acts where actors would paint their faces black and act out racist stereotypes. The premise was "look at me! I'm a black person!" and then they'd do something stupid and everyone would laugh. Note that black people were slaves at the time. When slavery was (mostly) abolished after the civil war, the shows and makeup became symbols of racism.

It's kind of like how a swastika in a Buddhist temple is fine but a swastika tattoo on a white American isn't. The swastika doesn't have to be racist symbol, but there are few places you could display one without it being interpreted as a racist symbol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Great explanation, thank you very much!

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[–] Shardikprime 108 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Literally no Latin American is going to be bothered Or annoyed in any way whatsoever if you don typical dresses of their culture.

We love our culture and love it even more when we influence gringos to dress as our ancestors did.

The joy is palpable. It makes you part of the family. And that's plenty

Besides, no one here knows what the deal is with getting offended on behalf of someone else. If anyone has a problem, they speak up their minds.

Slurs? Motherfückêr, that's half our language.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago (29 children)

This is one thing ive never understood about "cultural appropriation." If someone is partaking in your nations/cultures traditions, apperal, food, etc. Why is that a bad thing? Wouldnt people want their traditions known and shared and experienced by many?

Idk im just a white guy who loves dia de los muertos

[–] aliceblossom 32 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Enjoying other cultures isn't appropriation. I think the line where it becomes appropriation is profiteering. If you are commodifying and profiting off someone else's culture that's pretty shitty. Obviously that's not a perfectly clear cut line (who 'owns' culture?), but it's a good place to start.

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[–] Sterile_Technique 101 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, reminds me of one of the Mario games a while back - no idea what the context was, but Mario took on different personas, which I'm assuming gave him abilities specific to whatever 'form' he took kinda like Kirby.

Anywho, one of them was a Mexican theme, which made Mario don a sombrero and poncho. Lots of touchy white people on the internet were PISSED cuz how could Nintendo be so insensitive to the Mexican culture?!

...meanwhile, Mexican gamers were fucking ecstatic cuz HOLY SHIT MARIO'S WEARING A SOMBRERO! LET'S GOOOOOO!!!

Good times.

[–] Glytch 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That was either Super Mario Odyssey or Paper Mario: Sticker Star (Mario can wear a sombrero in both). In Odyssey it's just a themed cosmetic that can be bought with coins. In Sticker Star, it's an attack.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Cultural appropriation is a broad enough term to functionally be meaningless, but I've found it helpful to think through 4 distinct interests at play, that I think are legitimate:

Proper attribution/credit. We don't like plagiarism or unattributed copying in most art. Remixes, homages, reinterpretations, and even satire/parody are acceptable but we expect proper treatment of the original author and the original work. Some accusations of cultural appropriation take on this flavor, where there's a perceived unfairness in how the originator of an idea is ignored and some copier is given credit. For a real world example of this, think of the times the fans of a particular musical artist get annoyed when a cover of one of that artist's song becomes bigger than the original.

Proper labeling/consumer disclosure/trademark. Some people don't like taking an established name and applying it outside of that original context. European nations can be pretty aggressive at preserving the names of certain wines (champagne versus sparkling wine) or cheeses (parmigiano reggiano versus parmesan) or other products. American producers are less aggressive about those types of geographic protected labels but have a much more aggressive system of trademarks generally: Coca Cola, Nike, Starbucks. In a sense, there's literal ownership of a name and the owner should be entitled to decide what does or doesn't get the label.

Cheapening of something special or disrespect for something sacred. For certain types of ceremonial clothing, wearing that clothing outside of the context of that ceremony seems disrespectful. Military types sometimes get offended by stolen valor when people wear ranks/ribbons/uniforms they haven't personally earned, and want to gatekeep who gets to wear those things. In Wedding Crashers there's a scene where Will Ferrell puts on a fake purple heart to try to get laid, and it's widely understood by the audience to be a scummy move. Or, one could imagine the backlash if someone were to host some kind of drinking contest styled after some Christian communion rituals, complete with a host wearing stuff that looks like clergy attire.

Mockery of a group. Blackface, fake accents, and things of that nature are often in bad taste when used to mock people. It's hard to pull this off without a lot of people catching strays, so it's best to just avoid these practices. With costumes in general, there are things to look out for, especially if you're going out and getting smashed.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Using "cultural appropriation" to drag down regular people is kind of pointless, like freaking out at someone for putting the wrong recyclable type of plastic trash in the garbage.

Cultural appropriation matters at the corporate level, where media shapes what regular people do. Do you want to talk about cultural appropriation? Talk about Disney, talk about Hollywood, talk about Jeep Cherokee, and Decathlon Quechua. To keep with the recycling analogy: your problem shouldn't be ordinary people messing up their trash sorting, it should be vendors mass producing plastic trash for everything.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Culture is meant to be shared, as long as you're respectful and you're not caricaturing or mocking the culture you're trying to portray, most people from said culture would be flattered.

[–] Carighan 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah context and intend make all the difference. Cultural appropriation is when you try to clad yourself in something that is a facsimile of another culture, usually for marketing or influence purposes, but you neither understand nor have any intend to understand the culture itself or the meaning behind the parts you use for your (usually financial) gain.

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[–] lurklurk 63 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

The concept of cultural appropriation seems to be pretty useless in practice.

The cases I've encountered where it makes some bit of sense fit better under the concepts of racism or exploitation. The complaints about cultural appropriation online seem to more often attack innocent behaviour or someone genuinely appreciating another culture.

Drink tea, make tacos, wear a kimono, don't be an asshole

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

The actual complaints I see about cultural appropriation online are mostly directed at corporations trying to sell ethnic stuff. But that's not as controversial.

The silly personal attacks are common in memes just like this one, serving as centrist strawmen to vilify progressives. People love to talk about and ridicule it so much that it seems a lot more common than it actually is.

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[–] madcaesar 63 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

Complaining about sharing cultures IS racism. These idiots complaining about cultural appropriation have gone too far up their own ass.

Melding, sharing food clothing and customs makes everyone better! These bullshit micro divisions need to stop.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sharing culture isn't cultural appropriation.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

The reason feelings of cultural appropriation exist is because the children of immigrants feel like society treats them as foreigners because they're not white, despite growing up all their lives in the US/UK etc. This leads to feeling like some dipshit is enjoying the food and fashion of your home culture while rejecting it's people. Think about a Maga moron voting to kick out all the Mexicans while wearing a sombrero and eating tacos; it's a hypocrisy of culture vs race.

[–] madcaesar 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's just racism and you're not going to fix it by isolating the immigrants more by chastising people that enjoy their culture.

It makes zero sense if the goal is to fight racism. If anything you'd want there to be MORE immersion and exchange of cultures so the immigrants are seen as part of the new fabric instead of separate from it.

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[–] DarkCloud 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

It's real simple; is the group in general okay with you wearing doing thwir traditions? If yes, then it's okay.

So Kimonos, mostly okay, Native American Headdresses, mostly not okay.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

It's called White Savior Complex.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 30 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

When I was growing up in the 80s and some frat-bro types ran around town dressed like the Three Amigos while swilling beers and fumbling their Spanish, parents and teachers would call it "tacky" and "annoying" and "juvenile".

Now, in the 20s, the children of those frat-bros puts on the same outfit and does the same stupid shit. But their peers are the ones rolling their eyes and telling them that they don't look cool, while the parents clap and take pictures and get off on a romanticized youth lived vicariously through their frat-bro kids.

So the frat-bros become resentful. They go home, pull out their crayons, and make up a naked brown man to give them permission to behave miserably. And then they go on podcasts and make Instagram reels explaining how - um, aktuly - if you don't think the tourist-trap Spirit Halloween tier get-up I'm wearing on Cinco-De-Drinko to celebrate getting wasted is cool, you're the real racists.

Then Budwiser releases an "Authentic Mexican Logger" and the same frat-bros lose their fucking minds because their favorite beer company just Went Woke.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

Now, in the 20s

Fuck, my back

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

At my wedding reception, my wife’s cousins plopped a giant black and gold sombrero on my head to welcome me to the family. I’m expected to bring said sombrero to family get togethers and smash beers con mi familia

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

I see muchos Modelos in your future!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you sure it was black and gold and not white and blue?

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Case in point: Mexicans loved Speedy Gonzalez.

[–] VindictiveJudge 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably because he always outwits his opponents and always wins. He's not any more crazy than the other Looney Tunes, he's as smart as Bugs, and unlike Bugs, he's never cruel and remains firmly heroic.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

That's the crux. He's a Mexican stereotype, but at the time, it was rare to have a good guy who looked like that.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I don’t think it’s offensive, but if you’re wearing that just to make a point then maybe you’re just looking to offend people. This is less directed to the comic and more directed to the YouTube clips I have seen of similar scenario.

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[–] NONE_dc 27 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Usually it is the Yankees who take offense at the expense of us Latinos. We will always love to see others enjoy a part of our culture (as long as it is not in an exploitative and fetishistic way).

[–] gdog05 21 points 2 weeks ago

fetishistic way>

I guess it was only a matter of time before I was called out on what I do with queso.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

I've had so many people claim I'm racist online for saying stuff about China. Even after I point out that I'm Chinese, it still doesn't help for some reason.

[–] Delphia 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

You're speaking english on the internet. Not only are you white, you are American and Male by default.

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[–] Diplomjodler3 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've never heard about "cultural appropriation" outside of jokes making fun of it. And it's one of the right's favourite strawmen. Maybe it's time to let it go?

[–] Tudsamfa 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The counterexample to Mexicans and their Sombreros is Plains Indians and their War bonnet (those feather crowns they used to sell as "Indian kids costumes"), whenever cultural appropriation is mentioned this comes up, so I'd be rather surprised if you hadn't heard of it before.

Any spicy takes on that one, or have you really just never heard of it?

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[–] Tattorack 20 points 2 weeks ago

I got some Malian clothes. Beautiful patterns on them. They were tailor made for me as a birthday gift from my roommate who was Malian, who's family in Mali owns a textile business.

I've received some... interesting reactions to me wearing that clothes.

[–] BradleyUffner 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Telling someone that something they are doing may be considered offensive to a different group sure seems to be offensive to some people...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

The way I tend to feel about this is that it's a jerk move if you're mocking some other group, or reasonably could be seen as mocking them, or try to claim that you/your group invented the thing you're using, but otherwise, borrowing stuff people like from other cultures is just one of the ways cultures evolve.

I can see some people objecting on the grounds that imitating something distinctive makes that thing less unique to the original group, or that an imitation by outsiders won't include some aspect important to the original and then that people that see the imitation won't get that aspect.

I can certainly understand why those feelings could lead to frustration, but applied strictly, the idea that certain things belong exclusively to the cultures that invented them both requires forcing people into precise boxes as to which culture they belong to, and sort of resembles a type of socially enforced intellectual property, which, being against IP as a concept, is something I feel like I'd be hypocritical agreeing with.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I remember seeing a child have a japanese themed birthday. Some white person was giving off to her parents for cultural appropriation while Japanese people were flattered

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

It turned out that although she looked white and her parents looked white, her extended family was actually asian. So it wasn't even appropiation to begin with.

Still everyone needs to chill, my fellow honkeys, please stop getting offended on behalf of others. Playing the role of the "White Savior" comes off as more bigoted than progressive.

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[–] glassware 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

20 years ago I had white-boy dreadlocks. African-American Christians told me it was cultural appropriation. Jamaican Rastafarians would stop me in the street to share their weed and offer me a ride.

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[–] Sanctus 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is an exact copy of a YouTube video from years ago

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are you saying this is content appropriation?

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