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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Thanks for explaining. I never understood the American outrage about cultural appropriation but it's just about respecting sacred symbols from other cultures? Sounds about right, please feel free to dress as a Frenchman with beret and baguette as long as you respect our no-tipping policy.

Next item to discover on my list: why are Americans so upset about "black face". And that's what I witnessed in Sevilla (Spain) recently which did not seem racist to me at all: https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2023/01/05/polemica-espana-blackface-reyes-magos-trax/

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Next item to discover on my list: why are Americans so upset about "black face".

That's because of minstrel shows. They were American comedy acts where actors would paint their faces black and act out racist stereotypes. The premise was "look at me! I'm a black person!" and then they'd do something stupid and everyone would laugh. Note that black people were slaves at the time. When slavery was (mostly) abolished after the civil war, the shows and makeup became symbols of racism.

It's kind of like how a swastika in a Buddhist temple is fine but a swastika tattoo on a white American isn't. The swastika doesn't have to be racist symbol, but there are few places you could display one without it being interpreted as a racist symbol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Great explanation, thank you very much!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The other comment explains most of it, but when it comes to acting specifically there’s also some level of “why didn’t you just get an actual black person”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I’m a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To add to that explanation, dressing as a French person in a mocking way is not the same because the French were not enslaved people in the Americas. In fact, they were taking part in the enslaving. It is basically continuing to show that you are the superior party in the power dynamic in an extremely hurtful way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I may be mistaken but I don't think I've ever seen a French guy painted in black. However I don't think it's in anyway related to historical reasons, it's mostly because it looks dumb and out of place.

Transferring your argument to the Sevilla parade where black faces were the norm last week, I believe they played a relatively minor role in the slave trade. And I have not seen a single black guy in the street the duration I was there, apart from one frenchman.

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I believe they played a relatively minor role in the slave trade.

Are you fucking kidding me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Cuba

Only abolished by Spanish royal decree in 1887. One of the last European colonies in the Americas to abolish slavery. Only Brazil came afterward two years later.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Well I can be quite clueless you know 😂 No need for hyperbole there, we're not on Twitter