This is good for protecting against hateful randos, but won't do any good if the government comes for you. Unless the goal is just to take some of them down with you.
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When the government came for him, having a gun sure didn't help.
The point of an armed populace isn't to take on the military. It's to make every citizen a potential threat to those in power. The more you piss off the population, the greater the danger of some rando slipping through the cracks.
We just saw how much one random dude with a gun can scare the shit out of corporate America by killing an insurance executive that nonlbody had even heard of. Imagine what a million Luigis could do.
Luigi was a different matter, as he was attacking, not defending. But I sure wouldn't mind if others decided that the ultra wealthy need to learn some more lessons in humility.
Unless the goal is just to take some of them down with you.
Better to drag some of them into the grave along with you swiftly than waste away in a concentration camp. Maybe if enough of the fuckers get shot they'll stop volunteering for the job of going house to house and abducting Trump's undesirables.
Yeah, it's a valid goal.
It does make sense to get a gun over there. Shit is getting interesting.
I’m all for it. If you truly want home defense: shotgun. I like all firearms in the hands of liberals though. Why shouldn’t we have them? The right does.
While I concede that shotgun is the right tool for the job in some cases, I definitely argue it's not the end all be all and not appropriate in others.
If you live in a rural area or otherwise have a spacious home where a loaded shotgun can safely be stored in your bedroom or otherwise accessible in a moments notice without it being a massive safety hazard, then yes shotgun might be right for you.
For basically everyone else, a simple handgun is more than sufficient for home defense needs and can be kept safely where it can be retrieved while sleeping or other event where you believe an would be home invader is trying to enter your home or already has.
The real important part here is that if you are going to get a firearm for home defense, get trained how to use it. Many shooting ranges will have classes or put you in contact with an instructor who can show you how to operate the firearm, safely load and unload it, and good technique to use while handling it. And equally important, you are going to want range time with that firearm, not just to know how to shoot it, but ensure yourself it does work, what to do if it malfunctions, and hopefully improve your skill so you can hit what you are aiming at and avoid anything you aren't aiming at.
Honestly shotgun for home defense is not necessarily good advice for many people, racking it to scare people away is terrible advice too, don't give away your location and give up the element of surprise. If they know people are in the house they are invading, assume lethal force is already on the table and don't give them a chance to point and shoot, even if it doesn't hit you it could hit a bystander. Shotguns with buckshot are very heavy recoiling and have serious risk of sending stray pellets through walls and potentially other people, you need to take ownership of the potential of every shot to end a life and a shotgun shoots 9 shots at once in a cone, it's not aiming easy mode unless you live alone in a house with nothing around it and even then the spread isn't enough that you don't have to aim decently.
It's the only way to get any gun control legislation. Why would the right ban guns when only they have them? The more liberal, queer, and black/brown people have guns the more willing repubs will be to take them.
Facts, the most sensible gun legislation in this country's history came after the Black Panthers formed.
Signed into California law by Governor Ronald Reagan, in fact.
Why a shotgun? Easier to hit I'm assuming, but also more collateral damage
Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, and a shotgun will take a chunk off a persons body and spread it over the wall
One ounce slug.
Easier to hit with when adrenaline is pumping. I’ve never had to nor hopefully will, but it’s what I’ve read. Makes perfect sense. Plus anything too powerful would go through walls when you inevitably miss.
Hard to miss at the distance an intruder in your home would be with buckshot unless you live at buckingham palace. But also will very much go through drywall especially close range
Racking a shotgun will also scare most aggressors. It's also simply much more visible to a home intruder. You're more likely not to even need to fire one compared to a hand gun.
Paul Harrell (RIP Paul) pretty well debunked this, anyone who would be afraid of the shell being loaded would equally be afraid of a weapon being pointed at them, and racking the shell gives them time to react if they truly have hostile intent to warrant a shotgun being pointed at them.
The point is to telegraph that you have a gun to a home intruder before they get in eye sight. If the intruder doesn't hear it, then the home owner is in the same position as they would be if they hadn't bothered.
You could make the argument that handguns aren't enough and people need plates and rifles just to ensure their right to protest.
The ~~4ASA4's~~ 4sas4's that never made it to Ukraine had some bad buzz over a miscommunication issue, but as long as you don't fall down on them they're insanely cheap level 4 plates and while there's a shit ton now, they won't be around forever.
Do I think I'll be shot wearing it?
Absolutely not, and honestly it would be a slim chance a shot hits the plate instead of of anywhere else.
But cops are cowards and bullies, they're not going to immediately turn to violence when they're outnumbered and out gunned.
It's sucks, but this is America. It's not enough to be strapped anymore.
Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xly5d5nQbfc
That's a guy testing them specifically and explaining the issues.
But those (really just one) issues are why they're $99 instead of $250 a plate.
And like I said, realistically you're not getting shot while wearing it. I'm specifically just talking about the visual deterrent for things like protesting so cops aren't as likely to immediately start copping at a protest.
And something tells me there are going to be a lot of protests coming.
You don't have to buy it right now because there's a sale it will likely be months/years till they run out of these. Some company made literal tons of them and a government contract fell thru.
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Can't stop the signal, all humans have a right to self defense.
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I totally respect their choice and will be making a similar one in the near future, for many of the same reasons, but a bit differently.
I sold my inherited firearms years back.. I mean what good is a bolt action .22 gunna do for protection in town, really, where I need to worry a lot more about securing my firearm despite living alone? It was a farm firearm, and now I regret getting rid of it because I want farm-space where a firearm will do me good.. so I’ll have to get another.. whoops. Should have just waited til I was older. On larger tracts of land, where you have warnings of people or animals approaching, it makes sense to have a firearm like that handy.
But I think another bolt action or similarly cumbersome rifle is about as dangerous as I want.. I’ve been at least passively suicidal my whole life (thanks, chronic pain!), but I can’t easily bite that bullet, flexible as I may be. :)
I have Navy expert marksmanship qualification, though. I had never fired a real firearm before that day, only airsoft or arcade light guns, did the training (and listened and followed directions) and have not since fired anything.
What about a lever gun? Been thinking about getting one but i want it to shoot .44 or .45 caliber which gets pricey.
Though i imagine bolt action would actually be better for accuracy/stability
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