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You could make the argument that handguns aren't enough and people need plates and rifles just to ensure their right to protest.
The ~~4ASA4's~~ 4sas4's that never made it to Ukraine had some bad buzz over a miscommunication issue, but as long as you don't fall down on them they're insanely cheap level 4 plates and while there's a shit ton now, they won't be around forever.
Do I think I'll be shot wearing it?
Absolutely not, and honestly it would be a slim chance a shot hits the plate instead of of anywhere else.
But cops are cowards and bullies, they're not going to immediately turn to violence when they're outnumbered and out gunned.
It's sucks, but this is America. It's not enough to be strapped anymore.
Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xly5d5nQbfc
That's a guy testing them specifically and explaining the issues.
But those (really just one) issues are why they're $99 instead of $250 a plate.
And like I said, realistically you're not getting shot while wearing it. I'm specifically just talking about the visual deterrent for things like protesting so cops aren't as likely to immediately start copping at a protest.
And something tells me there are going to be a lot of protests coming.
You don't have to buy it right now because there's a sale it will likely be months/years till they run out of these. Some company made literal tons of them and a government contract fell thru.
I don't know too much about these. How much do they run?
It varies based on features. Never buy armor that isn’t NIJ compliant, first and foremost. After that, plate curvature and weight reduction are the two primary factors that will drive up cost. I’m currently seeing $160 from RMA Armament, but that’s for level 4 flat plates that are 8.3lbs each. So, uncomfortable and heavy. For level 4 multi curve lightweight plates from the same maker, about $250 each.
But, I cringe a little when people recommend rifle plates. I own a set. They are miserable to run around in. They will slow you down dramatically when in most cases mobility and shooting fundamentals will likely decide the outcome of a fight. And even if your use case calls for them, there’s a lot to learn about proper plate carrier setup, that will take you a long while of YouTube deep dives to figure out how to develop a proper fighting kit.
Also, it doesn’t hurt to be 18-24 and positively fucking jacked, because that’s who plates are made for, soldiers, and if you’re round and out of shape and can’t run more than 20 yards at a time, you’ve got bigger fish to fry than body armor.
The 4asa4's are older standard made for Ukraine but ovreproduced.
They're 99/plate at a couple places now, which is ridiculous. It's been like that for about 2 months, and probably will be for a while. But eventually they'll run out.
The issue is the old standard doesn't have "drop testing" and these won't withstand a drop, they'll crack.
Quick edit:
And I know they're cringe.
But you can't deny police treat a protest differently when the other side has people in vests and rifles.
That's the only reason I'm recommending it.
But yeah, 20lbs doesn't sound like a lot till you're carrying it around all day. But wearing it out to a protest for 6 hours is a good way to get in shape.
I've been thinking about getting plates and I'm not going to due to price.
Please keep in mind this is from someone who has never owned plates or a plate carrier or any kind of armor, but if a plate can't survive a fall, what happens when you need to get down prone fast, potentially into rocks? Are they going to crack?
Yep, level 4 plates aren't metal, they're ceramic. It's a different kind of "toughness" basically the faster and more concentrated the impact, the better ceramic does. Like the alien energy shield in Stargate basically.
20 years ago they were incredibly fragile and would crack just looking at them.
These are "last generation" and greatly improved, but if you're wearing it and just fall straight forward they'll crack.
The newest you can do that twice, ever...
So the price jumps from $99 to $250. That's $75 for each time you faceplant but infinite falls for both if you put an arm out to catch yourself.
Metal plates obviously you can face plate as much as you want, they just aren't as good at stopping bullets and can result in "sprawling" where the bullet and steel from your plate get you in the arm/face.
Nothing is perfect.
Isn't that "spalling"?
No criticism here just want to get the terms right. I know if a vehicle gets hit and parts of it become shrapnel then it's called spalling. Or even if a little bullet hits something and breaks up, that's spalling. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
But yeah I don't mean faceplanting, I mean like you got down on some rocks quick then crawled forward. That would make the ceramic ineffectual? I would never buy metal armor. It's too heavy and from what I've read, doesn't work. I'm not looking to protect myself from some guy with a 9, I'm thinking about SHTF scenarios.
Yeah, not sure if I got autocorrected or had a brain fart, but it's 100% spalling.
I mean, there is heft to them, they're still ~8lbs each. Which is think is about what metal is.
What some people do is buy a "trauma pad" which is very skinny foam meant to be worn on the inside to absorb the shock, and they'll put it on the outside side. Like, in the vest, but pad-plate-body instead of plate-pad-body.
If you haven't watched the video I linked up above, it's worth it. He's pretty scientific and goes over a lot of general stuff.
But just some stuff bumping against it isn't a big deal, these are designed for the military and worn in actual war for like over a decade at this standard. Just look at the stuff they do in plates for training, they're not gentle.
But honestly the point of a plate is to stop bullets that would kill you immediately, because there's an expectation medical aid is nearby. Without an emergency room a gut shot will kill you just as well as a lung shit, it'll just be 8-12 hours of absolute misery assuming you don't bleed out in the next hour.
So if society full on collapses, plates make less sense.
Leather is is then! It's cheaper, modifiable, and you're going to die anyway so why not look like Mad Max!
Honestly, yeah.
Even better if it's modern motorcycle gear, shit has built in pads and everything. Basically discreet riot gear
I don’t think body armor is cringe, I just cringe at the thought of having to wear it, and starting someone down the rabbit hole of battle rattle full kit larping.
I couldn't read that without thinking of Shrine of the Mall Ninja
And training.
Your fancy rifle and thousands of rounds aren't going to mean shit the first time you actually see combat if you haven't practiced.
I don't know if you read my comment or immediately forgot...
Like, half my comment is in response to what you just said, to respond to you I'd just be copying/pasting what's already there.
You can also make small arm body armor.