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The best Unix (sh.itjust.works)

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[–] highball 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then OSX Server wouldn't have flopped as a server os in the early 2000's. But go on about how it's basically "unix".

[–] stetech 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It’s not just “basically Unix”, it’s more Unix than any Linux.

What it isn’t is free (libre).

[–] CrayonRosary 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Spit on that thang

[–] [email protected] 174 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Security by obscurity is not real.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are any of us ever real?

[–] thebigslime 32 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How can our eyes be real if mirrors aren't real?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

It can also be said: security by obscurity is the best scenario for the NSA

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm late and this will get buried, but this really speaks to the difference between the open source / ESR / OSI ideology and the free software / RMS / GNU ideology.

Open source ideology says it is better because it produces better software. If MacOS X was closed source and better it serves as a repudiation of that ideology.

Free software ideology says it is better because denying users any of the four freedoms is an immoral act. If MacOS X was proprietary software and better, it would still be immoral to deny users their freedoms; the ideology is not impacted.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Closed source is more secure because the viruses can't see where to get in.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This is why I stick to TempleOS, the only biblically accurate OS. With the power of God and high octane schizophrenia, I'm completely safe.

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[–] ZILtoid1991 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The main reason why MacOS has less viruses is that it's even more than that. Want to run programs not from the app store? Hope you like a convoluted set of settings you have to go through to install that in the first place.

The second main reason is the constant obsolescence of API.

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[–] HStone32 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just how do we define our metric for best Unix? Cuz it certainly isn't freedom if Apples winning any awards.

[–] highball 1 points 1 day ago

It's definitely not comparing Server performance because OSX Server flopped in the early 2000's.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

Someone make a virus for his mac

[–] grue 65 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Joke's on you: GNU/Linux isn't Unix to begin with (that's literally what GNU means: "GNU's Not Unix")!

Therefore, MacOS is "the best Unix" only because it managed to squeeze by the BSDs and some dead proprietary Unixes ("Unices?" "Unixen?") -- hardly an impressive feat.

Trollface

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

BSDs aren't even Unix AFAIK because they didn't bother to pay for the official recognition, despite literally being derived from UNIX. MacOS is pretty much the only UNIX that the average user will actually directly interact with.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Although for both Linux and (especially) BSD, isn't there a "Unix of Theseus" issue here, if you understand my meaning?

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[–] stupidcasey 102 points 4 days ago (45 children)

Lol, Linux literally owns the server space, windows owns the desktop space, what exactly does MacOS Own exactly? If best means most pretentious then sure.

[–] highball 1 points 1 day ago

what exactly does MacOS Own exactly

Definitely not the server space. OSX Server flopped in the early 2000's. But you know, OSX is definitely "unix".

[–] [email protected] 155 points 4 days ago (20 children)

I would argue macOS owns the creative space (Design, Art and Music)

[–] ThePyroPython 53 points 4 days ago (19 children)

I would concur. You can record high quality encoded audio on your iPhone, audio design on your iPad with your other samples, and add the mixed soundscape into your film on iMac.

I literally know someone in the media industry who's whole effortless workflow is what makes him a go-to guy for quick and flexible turnaround for audio mastery for films. He works exclusively on apple devices for this exact reason.

I'm not saying it's impossible another way, but he really likes the ecosystem.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Only partially true. VFX for example uses Linux quite a bit, and a lot of web devs use Linux too, or even Windows with WSL.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

But it would be a stretch to say that support is the result of current macOS. The Mac has always been popular with creatives, since way before it was UNIX-based.

I'd argue the popularity with creatives is largely from being marketed to creatives since its earliest days.

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[–] iAvicenna 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

surprisingly many computational scientists use MacOS

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Obscurity is not security. Obscurity is the fake sensation of privacy, you are on the hands of the creator.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

and on the hands of the NSA

[–] satans_methpipe 5 points 2 days ago

SOLARIS 8 IS BEST UNIX

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 days ago

Now this is the kind of trolling I sincerely advocate.

[–] HowManyNimons 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lol this comment section is on fire. Irony died in 2015.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People like a good flame war 🤷

Just because one understands trolling doesn't mean it can't be fun to discuss the things the troll brought up.

[–] Valmond 8 points 3 days ago

Especially when it's cold outside.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I did a wtf at dude 4 in frame 3 until I realized he was getting punched and not... well.. if you don't see it maybe I'm just net-warped.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you, you made a buncha nerds angry and now they're fighting in the comment section >:(

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (15 children)

Any judgment of “best” needs to specify “for what use case?”

I’m a MacOS daily driver, and I think it is the best for most of the use cases that matter to me.

But not all of them. And my use cases could easily change a little bit and make MacOS a miserable choice to stick with.

Everything is a trade-off.

Edit: And as for closed source security, I hope nobody seriously makes that argument anymore, do they?