The title makes it sound like Apple did this of their own accord. In reality, this was the deadline for no longer selling these devices inside the EU.
this post was submitted on 29 Dec 2024
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And the asshats sold them up to the deadline day, instead of saying stopping sales 5 years ago. Penalizingly anal company.
See, this is how you do it. Pass laws with teeth in big markets, as the EU has done for years now. The almighty dollar is what Apple and the rest care about it, if you want them to change you have to threaten that. It's their only language
I’m still of the opinion that Apple benefitted from this legislation, and that they know it. They never fought this decision particularly hard — and ultimately, it’s only going to help Apple move forward.
I’m more than old enough to remember the last time Apple tried changing connectors from the 30-pin connector to the Lightning connector. People (and the press) were apoplectic that Apple changed the connector. Everything from cables to external speakers to alarm clocks and other accessories became useless as soon as you upgraded your iPod/iPhone — the 30-pin connector had been the standard connector since the original iPod, and millions of devices used it. Apple took a ton of flak for changing it — even though Lightning was a pretty significant improvement.
That’s not happening this time, as Apple (and everyone else) can point to and blame the EU instead. If Apple had made this change on their own, they would likely have been pilloried in the press (again) for making so many devices and cables obsolete nearly overnight — but at least this way they can point at the EU and say “they’re the ones making us do this” and escape criticism.
If Apple had made this change on their own, they would likely have been pilloried in the press
Changing from one proprietary connector to another pissed a lot of people off.
Changing to a standard USB-C connector would piss off almost no one.
It’s worth remembering however that there weren’t a lot of options for a standardized connector back when Apple made the first switch in 2012. The USB-C connector wasn’t published for another two years after Lightning was released to the public. Lightning was much better than the then-available standard of micro USB-B, allowed for thinner phones and devices, and was able to carry video and audio (which was only achieved on Android phones of the time with micro USB-B by violating the USB standard).
Also worth noting here is that the various Macs made the switch to USB-C before most PCs did, and the iPad Pro made the switch all the way back in 2018 — long before the EU started making noise about forcing everyone to use USB-C. So Apple has a history of pushing USB-C; at least for devices where there wasn’t a mass market of bespoke docks that people were going to be pissed off at having to scrap and replace.
I’ll readily agree we’re in a better place today — I’m now nearly 100% USB-C for all my modern devices (with the one big holdout being my car — even though it was an expensive 2024 EV model, it still came with USB-A. I have several USB-A to USB-C cables in the car for device charging small devices, but can’t take advantage of USB-PD to charge and run my MacBook Pro). But I suspect Apple isn’t as bothered by this change as everyone thinks they are. They finally get to standardize on one connector across their entire lineup of devices for the first time ever, and don’t have to take the blame for it. Sounds win-win to me.
Apple doesn't want this. Watch how long it takes for Apple devices anywhere else to change to usb-c... Won't be overnight.
Apple recently removed the USB-A only SuperDrive, and replaced the Magic Mouse with a USB-C variant.
Other than perhaps old-stock, the only current Lightning device Apple is currently selling anywhere is the iPhone SE, which appears due for replacement soon.
What devices does Apple sell elsewhere with lightning? The only remaining lightning device I can find is the iPhone SE, the lower cost variant that has a legacy form factor including lighting and Touch ID. It’s is rumored to be seeing an update in the next few months.
Apple has spent half a decade implementing USB-C across its lineup, and was one of the earliest adopters of USB-C (to much criticism) back in the 2016 MacBook.
I feel like most accessories these days either use Bluetooth, or (for e.g. cars) have a phone-agnostic USB port so they can work with Android too. Plus cables aren’t that hard to replace. I feel like the days of the iPod speaker dock and the iDog with a proprietary cable stub are long gone.
Agreed — this is overall a really, really good thing for consumers. Now that my MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and iPhone Pro all use USB-C it’s trivial to swap devices between them and generally they all just work. The USB-C Ethernet adaptor I have for my MBP work with my iPad Pro and iPhone Pro. As do Apple’s USB-A/USB-C/HDMI adaptors. And my USB-C external drives and USB sticks. And my PS5 DualSense controllers. And the 100W lithium battery pack with 60W USB-PD output. Heck, even the latest Apple TV remote is USB-C.
AFAIK, this is the first time ever that there is one single connector that works across their entire lineup of devices. Even if you go back to the original Apple 1 (when it was the only device they sold), it had several different connector types. Now we have one connector to rule them all, and while the standard has its issues, it’s quite a bit better than the old days when everything had a different connector.
Good riddance, historically the shittiest cables in existence in terms of build quality and design, and they polluted USB-C with that design, too...
What, you want the thing to be reinforced with a flexible brace near the plug so that the cable won't fray? Fuck you. Oh, your cable frayed near the plug? Fuck you. Buy more cables, it's just e-waste. Not like the environment's going down the toilet or anything.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction. The complaint you’re making is about the cable not the connector. The cable can still fray near the tip with a USB-C given enough wear and tear.
The lightning connector was great for its time, moving Apple devices off the giant serial connectors present on the iPod and early iPhone. In comparison, the lightning connector was small, reversible, and durable. It’s still even smaller than USB-C today.
I don't think making the end of a cable smaller is an important thing any more. We're not dealing with SCART or serial cables any more. USB C is definitely small enough. Micro and mini were small enough too.
The complaint about the cables seems fine when the company the post is about profited from those cables. Design flaws boosted their sales.
As for the regular USB cables eventually fraying, sure, all things have wear and tear, but some things are designed to fail faster for profits.
I agree USB-C is small enough, but micro and mini usb were not reversible. I don’t think Apple was intentionally making cables that fell apart easily. I agree that they did, but I don’t think it had some profit motive behind it. Apple makes dumb design decisions some times because their designers like certain looks or materials. I just honestly think the designers liked the material of the cable and its feel. It was admittedly nice, but it just falls apart within a year of everyday use. Now they’ve changed to a cloth material.
I'm honestly not going to argue against their efficacy as transfer mediums, because I didn't have much contact with the Apple ecosystem other than for work.
But that is another mark against them in my book. What use is a good cable when it's only usable with a single type of device? They could have the highest transfer rates ever and still wouldn't serve, like, half of the people who use phones and computers. That's to say nothing of the myriad other peripherals out there (even vapes use USB-C for charging).
That plus the really poor design/build quality of the cable itself are what make them bad cables.
From here on out, all Apple devices will be Steam-based
finally a good OS on them
Next will be usb copyright chip. Mark my words.
Happy about this overal! Just hope I will still be able to buy replacement cables once my current ones die, as I do not plan to replace my iphone SE or gen1 airpods until there is any life in them left. If not, I guess tape will have to do the trick.