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[–] Brunbrun6766 134 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Read up on their founding and history, they brought it upon themselves. They wanted to be the mysterious Boogeyman from their inception because the founders thought it would be cool and fun.

[–] Postmortal_Pop 72 points 1 week ago (27 children)

Honestly, he's not wrong, it does look cool and fun. I wish there were non-religious secret sects.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

In high school we started a secret order, made a logo and symbols that we printed into stickers and would hide around the school in weird hidden places, even published a fake newspaper that we left around referencing it's mythology and origins.

About 4 years after we all graduated I heard that apparently someone replaced the national anthem tape with one repeating the order's phrases and terms.

My god I hope that train keeps running away.

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[–] JayDee 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think that any adult secret society is either going to be lame and boring, or it quickly escalates into a cult, gang, cartel, racket, or terrorist organization, depending on the group's intentions.

[–] surewhynotlem 14 points 1 week ago

You're just making it sound cooler

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If I recall, Masons don't require you to worship any specific God, just believe in a higher power or something like that.

[–] Postmortal_Pop 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While yes, the unfortunate thing is that it's pretty christian dominant and my experience has been that don't appreciate agnostics and pagans in there midsts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

my experience has been that don’t appreciate agnostics and pagans in there midsts.

my experience is contrary to this. Few people really believe in religion in 2024, it's not like the pious times in which the rites originated.

In practice, you don't have to believe in god to be a mason. Although that rule is still around.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A secret fraternal order with invite-only membership?… perfect scapegoat by the real perpetrators of evils.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is not invite-only membership; that is disinformation. You can apply to join today if you choose.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It is not disinformation. My comment’s context was about the founding days and not today. When the lies about Freemasons/Illuminati were first being spread, it was invite-only. Now, it’s ASK12B1 and you still must undergo an interview process. Including, months worth of training before the first degree.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because they control the British crown
and keep the metric system down.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

They're a literal secret society. The secrecy leads to all sorts of wild rumors, which just get amplified, altered, and exaggerated over time until you've got Reptilian Illuminati trying to conquer the world through subliminal messages being broadcast through tooth fillings via fluoride in the water.

[–] garbagebagel 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So recently they opened a Masonic Hall within view of my window and I watch their parties go on many nights of the week. I can definitely confirm there's a lot of reptiles and subliminal messaging and definitely not just a bunch of old people partying and hanging out.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Idk but as one there is no way a bunch slightly racist old white Christian men can organize anything beyond the local and maybe state level.

Masonry is really cool and used to be highly influential for all levels of society but it’s not that anymore. It’s really sad. My grandparents generations were joiners. After the war everyone joined a society. My parents joined some. But nowadays that’s very rare. Everyone in my lodge was 50-80.

I think the propaganda comes from a similar place of earlier Jesuit propaganda. A bunch of men meeting in secret, seeking education away from church and state, highly involved in the community. Now it’s just having meals, meetings, and planning which charity event to do.

[–] Jamablaya 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

ummm "a bunch slightly racist old white Christian men can organize anything beyond the local and maybe state level." (Looks at Congress and the Senate)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Fair point, maybe I should add mostly working class

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Uh, not all are Christian or white. There are many lodges encompassing Filipino or Asian brothers. There’s also the Prince Hall masons for African-Americans. Additionally, the Scottish Right are not Christian-based like the Knights Templar.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You have to go through the Blue Lodge before you can go into the Scottish Right, and you must be religious to join the former. So yeah, the vast majority of members are Christians.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I am one if you want to AMA

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

From what I've come across, it's from a combination of their secrecy (historically to the point of death, read about ~~Hiram Abiff~~ William Morgan who was mobbed to death by Freemasons just North of where I used to live), their links to the upper class, their place in the spiritual sphere (they have Anglican/Templar associations, which is why the pope forbids joining, and these put their links to the British crown into perspective, as well as the fact they have their very own equivalent to the Vatican Secret Archives, which is a common theme, with the more gender-inclusive and Knights-Hospitaller-sprung Sovereign Military Order of Malta being their strictest rivals), their feud with what has come to be known as the LDS church (Joseph Smith was said to have been a Freemason who took off with their secret "ideas" to make the Book of Mormon), the fact they have historically looked down on those who leave or operate from other societies such as the Oddfellows, and some of their practices, such as the fact they used to be unwilling to testify against each other in court (I don't know if this is still true, but to put that into perspective, the United States recently reprimanded Scientology for the same reason), how "expensive" it is to actually be a member, their overlapping with what would today be called Gnosticism (oddly the G symbol does not stand for Gnosticism, though one cannot deny what comes across as some very sectarian observations/tendencies), and how it's 2025 and they still don't allow women to join (they also used to not allow people of color to join either, up until recently, and they still require someone to have a spiritual upbringing), which is why I am not one (I could join the Eastern Star, but it's almost knock-off-esque compared to the actual thing, which actually used to frown upon the Eastern Star as "missing the point", plus they wouldn't take kindly to my upbringing since my details would fall outside their range of knowledge).

In a way, it's comparable to how we might critique a British megachurch, if that megachurch was formatted like a university fraternity club. I had known many Freemasons, which is the norm where I used to live because there is a high enough Masonic presence in the area that they built the streets (arranging the sidewalk in a literal square and compass design), with family members of my friends participating in the group. I have nothing against them on their own, but with their sense of superiority and duty (especially with foreign entities involved) that often gets stereotypically mixed in with their demeanor, they can be as overbearing as sand here (coarse and rough and irritating and getting everywhere), which for a long time has not just led me to speculate myself but also forced my hand in a way. When you combine an obsolete sense of self with extreme exclusivity, well, there you go.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because they won't tell people what they do in their ceremonies. It's really not all that interesting, to be honest.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

My great grandad was a Mason all his adult life (~16 until his death at 99), as were my father and grandfather. None made it to the 33rd degree, which I'm not sure how much study, effort and money they put fourth, in effort. I know it irked me father and grandfather they had to pay the Masons $300 to perform "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes, at my great grand's funeral, which was his dying wish, so they walked away from the society.

Lon Milo Duquette speaks about the Masons, a bit, in some of his talks, but I've not delved deeply into their customs. I think there's quite a bit available, online, if one is interested enough to research. I'd think they are like any other organization: differing beliefs and political orientation among individuals, but I could be wrong.

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