My current opinion is not that schisming from the DNC would be a winning move, but if we do it should definitely happen now rather than later.
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If the progressives all leave the dems are screwed.
I don't see how that addresses the point.
If they dont, then everyone keeps getting screwed.
Split, fight, go to war, destroy half of the shitty parts of our party and come back as a unionist party of the fucking people and I might not consider a blue tie a fucking joke the next time I see one.
Clean house, and by clean house, fire yourselves outside of the firebrands and let them take us up to 11.
Pelosi stole that seat
The ol battle axe was in hospital recovering from hip replacement surgery, but Pelosi still has the heart of a true leader, and managed to get a "young 74 year old" the seat. Way to go Democrats! You fucking idiots are why we have trump part deux.
It's been far less reported but they did almost the exact same thing to Katie Porter in California. She was another rising star that got snuffed out by the DNC machine. They redistrict her seat and then they locked her out of the Senate election and pushed one of their elites in her place.
It was almost an exact repeat of what happened to Nina Turner in Ohio in 2021. Everywhere they can the Democrats lock out progressives. The Democratic party does not give one single shit. All they care about is the money and power they get as politicians. Everything they say is lip service.
And the dude has fucking throat cancer
I'm sure when he croaks in a couple months, AOC will get the seat as she was the runner-up, right?
They’ll have a 73 year old queued up
Old white men gonna old white men.
Pelosi too
I believe at this point she's a honorary white old man
Democrats don't deserve anymore support. We've got to get a party for the working class. It's just corporate whores in the GOP and DNC.
If you're interested in that you can always check out the DSA and see if they have a local chapter in your area. They're not a political party right now but imo if anything is gonna form a true labor third party in the US it will most likely come from there.
The problem with a winner-take-all system like the Electoral College is that if you do not vote for the Democratic Party, you're just underpinning the Republican Party. The unfortunate truth is that every progressive who sat out the November election for various reasons helped put Trump back in the WH. The Electoral College has to go for a third party to be viable.
Or you punish the party by removing its political support, until it properly represents your interests and if it is reluctant to do so, you keep organizing for a third party until it takes over.
The claim that the people not voting Dems helped Trump has to be put equally towards everyone that kept voting them no matter what, until they alienated so many people that a candidate like Trump could win. And Trump didnt win once. Hew won twice. The Dems chose to give Trump the victory over reforming themselves to address working class issues. And with all the talk about he would be the end to Democracy they made a point of showing that donors get their way, not normal voters. So their priorities have been made clear.
You can only keep drinking so much, until the hangover comes. But the longer you delay it, the harder it will hit
That's true right up until it isn't. Just ask the Whigs.
Sure on the national level that's true, but on the local level third parties can definitely make big gains in areas that are safe democrat seats traditionally. Then from there you fight to implement those kinds of systems at the local level and work up from there.
Did anyone think she would actually get it? I don't think AOC herself thought she would. She even went on the View and called Pelosi "mama bear" 🤮
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I'm not actually that surprised a vote by a bunch of politicians was decided based on politics and not which candidate was a better fit.
It's not just that he's 74...
It's not just that he got diagnosed with terminal throat cancer, and told voters the day after the recent election.
It's that it hasn't been two years since he last violated (the already barely existent) rules against Congress doing a little insider trading.
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/gerry-connolly-stocks/
Like, did anyone think when Pelosi was weighing in on the oversight committee, that the person she was backing wasnt corrupt and would actually hold anyone from either party accountable?
Pelosi didn't care just because she hates everyone under retirement age. It's because she needed to know the person in charge of the oversight committee had no reason to hold anyone accountable.
Probably more about her suspiciously making 66% returns on her stock investments than anything
That's what I mean, she's corrupt as fuck.
Everyone got hung up on Pelosi just "disliking" AOC, but this would have allowed AOC to investigate Pelosi and other corrupt Dems.
So Pelosi made sure a corrupt Dem got it. That way the status quo is maintained: Dems only go after R, and R only goes after Dems. But neither ever make anything stick.
AOC would try to go after everyone corrupt, and the Republicans would go with it if the target was a Dem.
We'd weed out corruption from the Dem party which would increase turnout, and likely retain the seats.
But it would be bad for Pelosi, and she'll always put herself over party or country
That would have been awesome. Purge the Dems of the liberals for a left takeover.
A boy can dream.
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The DNC is a right wing corpo puppet masquerading as opposition.
They're far more comfortable with a fascist as President than they would a leftist like AOC.
Stare at what their priorities are a month before Trump takes office, sabotaging their most leftwing members. Commuting the sentences of profiteer judges. Herp derp gotta keep moving right after all! (just an aside, I love the neoliberals defending Biden's corrupt pardons as "just senile/incompetent")
Reminder: the only leftist congresspeople are spoiler candidates. The DNC promotes solely on the basis of how well you prove you can be bought by large money donors, which tells you all you need to know about who's side they're on. The same side as the Fascists on economic policy, as they get the same checks from the same oligarchs.
I've voted blue for 20 years, with my nose held hoping for harm reduction. I phonebanked for Sanders in 2 campaigns. I already know it's all a sham. You can vote whoever you want as long as they're pro corpo capitalism. But in the 2028 primary, when I see the DNC yet again doing everything they can to kneecap a progressive to install a neoliberal, I'm walking away, as it's just another system of control. The illusion of choice.
If the people won't overcome their "free market" propaganda and vote against the shape and priorities of this sociopath owned economy literally legally conning and murdering us for tidy profits, we can't be saved, and there's nothing worth saving left.
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Yeah fuck the Democrats. I'm not giving the DNC or any mainstream PACs any more money. It'll all go through AOC and Bernie from here on out. (Not that my meager contributions mean much to the DNC Corporate whores.)
The progress wing should leave the party. Force the dems to come crawling or show their hands as sleeper Republicans
The frustration is real. There's a movement to create an American Labor Party. I think if it gets enough steam we might see some real change.
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it’s fine I’ve got experience
A fat lot of good your fucking “experience” has done us lately, wouldn’t you say, Connolly, you ossified, cancer-ridden, insider-trading, neoliberal establishment fuck.
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I'll believe they are "up in arms" as soon as they actually do anything.
Maybe use those arms for more than just finger-wagging.
slapping? maybe shooting?
How can she slap?!
why are the fucking boomers so resistant of letting go of power? pelosi is 84 years old, she belongs in a nursing house, not politics
A lot of these people are so old they aren't even boomers... Lol. The oldest boomers are still in their late 70s.
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rich old white guy: i have an idea - lets have a rich old white guy do it instead
[all vote yea]
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