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[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 minutes ago

This gave me a brilliant idea:

  • Everyone adds a clause to whatever license they use stating "any part of this software may not be used for was purposes of any kind"
  • We wait until software with these licences is spread across the supply chain of everything on Earth
  • ...
  • World peace, as no country would be legally allowed to wage war
[–] Shardikprime 1 points 32 minutes ago

Every Villain Is Lemons

E.V.I.L

[–] Feathercrown 42 points 7 hours ago

This is peak licensing

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Wait I though the point of these post-opensource clauses (see also: anti-capitalist licence, WTFPL, etc.) was to scare off the big corporations lawyers and make sure your code won't end up in AWS or something like that? Are Linux distros the only actors who are still giving a shit about licencing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to scare corporations use AGPL or, if you're feeling spicy, SSPL. Do not use WTFPL, it's too permissive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Always were.

Big companies care too but only if their cya arm knows enough about software to actually enforce anything. A lot don't.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

The biggest problem with such a clause is that it is hard to define "evil", even if it seems clear to you. Some people think that abortion is evil, so are abortion clinics banned from Json? What about the military and weapon manufacturers? Killing is evil, but you all know how the discourse about the military as national heroes that can't be evil in the US goes. What about a service like X - is it evil? Can you define "evil" for a surveillance tool that brands itself as ad tech?

[–] Feathercrown 17 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

The clause also states that the product MUST be used for Good, which is a higher bar. I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago
[–] answersplease77 6 points 4 hours ago

I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.

a lawsuit waiting to happen. Json has been a real dick lately sending his lawyers after everyone

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Yeah I would imagine this is the point

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Ask every single person what is the definition of evil and merge all the answers into one definition

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

The law is basically this, it’s why nearly everyone hates the government.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago

That'd be all the things.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

You'd end up with Schrödinger's Evil

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Every person should act according to their own morals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There would be so much violence in the world if they did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

Possibly, I just gave solution to those terms of conduct. Because everyone has other definition of what is evil, to comply they need to follow their morals.

[–] renzev 25 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

OK but how can json have a license? I understand a particular json parser having a license, but how can a specification, which contains no code, even be considered "software"?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Uh define code there. What about when storage and code are both on a machine that considers both instructions and data to be data? Is a spec not a creative work? Is code not just a spec?

[–] AnyOldName3 8 points 7 hours ago

It's generally accepted that file formats aren't protected IP, so you can write a compatible reader or writer and be in the clear as long as you reused no code from the original reader/writer. The specification may have licence terms that restrict who you can share the spec with, but you don't necessarily need the official spec to come up with a compatible implementation. Plenty of file formats have been reverse engineered over the years even when the original didn't have a written spec.

[–] synapse1278 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

As a php user, this is hilarious.

The issue shouldn't effect any php users today, as this is a issue with older versions of PHP 5.5, where the "outdated PHP 5.6" was released in 2014.

Anything on PHP 5.6 has been a security risk for half a decade already. So this is like if you were on Ubuntu 14, or Windows 8. If you have problems, it might be you.

[–] [email protected] 236 points 23 hours ago (11 children)

fun fact: IBM asked for, and got, an exception from that clause.

[–] pressanykeynow 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I remember when he told that story, it was something like this: one company which I don't want to name, so will just say it's initials - IBM. He also authorised usage for IBM "and it's minions".

[–] [email protected] 22 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Well, IIRC they did work with the Nazis to manage concentration camps and more

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/ibms-role-in-the-holocaust-new-documents-confirm-t

[–] [email protected] 55 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Did they reveal what the evil task they were using it for was?

[–] Wogi 47 points 18 hours ago

They make chips for missiles.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 18 hours ago

Knowing IBM, probably something to do with Nazis

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

So do you use JSON for your endpoints?

No we use XML

Oh interesting why is that?

Uhhh.....no reason

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