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[–] [email protected] 223 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh joy, moralizing from a dry drunk.

[–] FlyingSquid 62 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Who dresses like a bad acid trip.

[–] woelkchen 27 points 5 days ago

Who dresses like a bad acid trip.

But he's blind these days, so now he has an excuse for that part.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago

Noted drug scientist Elton John? Or the musician? Because I don't give a fuck what some entertainment celebrity has to say about that.

[–] thebigslime 202 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] paraphrand 15 points 5 days ago

Hey! It fits this time

[–] [email protected] 93 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Okay but seriously, he's entitled to his opinions. Besides, if he's successfully gone through rehab, he's not exactly going to be pro-drugs after that.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

As someone who hasn’t had a drink for 23 years one of the big issues with former addicts and alcoholics is the same “if it’s not good for me it’s not good for you” attitude we see everywhere else.

It’s yet more exceptionalism where we mistake the phenomenon of our perception and experience as a direct stand in for everyone else’s.

Even more problematic that it comes from someone with (and I’m willing to step out on a ledge here) a self-professed disease (alcoholics often refer to “their disease”.) That’s fine, but you don’t see diabetics recommending everyone constantly monitor their blood glucose and take insulin.

Like yes, I understand that when my wife has her first beer it doesn’t set off the trigger I have where I need all the beer (and liquor and whatever drugs you have on you) in the world until I don’t remember who I am.

[–] III 6 points 4 days ago

you don’t see diabetics recommending everyone constantly monitor their blood glucose and take insulin

To be fair, being aware of your glucose level isn't a bad thing. Insulin is probably not an "everyone" thing but if monitoring blood glucose wasn't so cumbersome, I would suggest it to anyone. It has similar value to monitoring weight, blood pressure or temperature.

[–] niktemadur 21 points 4 days ago

Having been hooked on cocaine and then implicitly or explicitly equating it with weed, sounds like some sort of internal "reefer madness" 24 hour movie-thon playing in his head.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Besides, if he’s successfully gone through rehab, he’s not exactly going to be pro-drugs after that.

Wanting cannabis to be legal isn't necessarily "pro-drug." No more than wanting alcohol to be legal is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Ah yes. The dreaded marijuana rehab I presume.

[–] wpb 32 points 4 days ago

It's always good to hear what the experts have to say on these matters.

[–] Thcdenton 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree that it could be considered addictive. But same could be said about booze. Prohibition is horseshit.

[–] hasnt_seen_goonies 8 points 4 days ago

Yeah, having nuance on the Internet is hard.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago

Shut up and play your piano, redcoat.

[–] Supervisor194 103 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Translation: I did whatever the fuck I wanted to do and now I've worked out that I was a shithead. It therefore follows that it was these external things that made me a shithead. Nevermind that countless other people have experienced the same things as "essentially harmless fun." I, of course (having been a raging shithead) am in a position to know better.

The logic is flawless.

[–] frostysauce 24 points 5 days ago

Elton John, confirmed boomer.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind 112 points 5 days ago (14 children)

I spent age 16-25 a constant pothead. I mean, some weeks I'd just never be sober. My friend said that I sat up in bed, opened the drawer, pulled out a baggie, packed a bowl, smoked 2 hits, and then layed back down. All without waking up, or stop snoring.

I have never once done any other drug. I'm 42 now, and haven't smoked weed in about 10 years.

I know others with similar stories. Weed does not lead to other drugs. Your choices do.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

My choices led to other drugs, and my choices led to me living a happier life, finally breaking free from my self-destructive habits. These Nixonites corpses need to finish their rigor mortis already.

[–] Gigasser 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Improper education leads to other, harder drugs. See DARE

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It is very habit forming but that's hardly a reason for it to be illegal.

[–] LavenderDay3544 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not nearly as addictive as nicotine or ethanol...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago
[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 16 points 4 days ago

Right. Eating is addictive. Drinking of course. And for a lot of people so is running, lol.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (12 children)

All I see here is the common kneejerk reaction to anything remotely criticizing marijuana. Elton John is a dry alcoholic and has been supporting other people with substance abuse issues for many years now. To him trivialization of any sort of drug use is negative. Calling it "the greatest mistake" is just some hyperbole to highlight the issue he sees. And he's not wrong in that there are many people, like in this comment section, who act as if there are no negative side effects to consuming cannabis. That is not only wrong but dangerous, because it is a drug and like all drugs it has its downsides that people need to be aware of. Still, personally I think decriminalization was the right thing. But stop acting like cannabis can do no evil.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I believe the risks of cannabis are significantly less than nearly every other recreational drug out there. Hell, I am a huge psychedelic proponent, which in many cases causes less physical damage than most other drugs but also comes with its own list of caveats.

But yeah, I see what you are saying and agree. It is important to understand the correct risks of just about anything in life.

Some dry alcoholics love their soapbox though. I'll occasionally bash alcohol, but I honestly try to keep my opinion to myself unless I am with other recovering alcoholics. (Repetitive negative reinforcement has a place, believe it or not.) What I am saying is that it is easy for someone in perpetual recovery to get a hair preachy. It's a thing. (Also guilty here, btw.)

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[–] alexc 62 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I wish the press would stop asking fucking celebrities questions about social issues. They do not represent society and never will.

[–] FlyingSquid 38 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I agree, but I find it amusing in this case since this guy pretty much owes his career to people in the 70s getting high and listening to Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

[–] alexc 20 points 5 days ago

Typical Boomer/Conservative move. They enjoy something and then enjoy it even more by telling everyone else they’re not allowed to use it.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I've smoked weed for 21 years and have had zero desire to try other, harder, drugs.

Guess I'm just an outlier and all the studies disproving marijuana as a "gateway drug" are bullshit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] Dorkyd68 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Marijuana being a gateway drug was just a very successful propaganda phrase

Ej isn't an American so it's none of his business really. Everyone likes thc when it becomes legal, Ive seen my very conservative family get stoned a bunch now and they love it. Sorta something the left and the right seem to overwhelmingly agree on

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[–] Hobbes_Dent 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I appreciate his history and how it guides this, but I argue that - in the context of addiction - not banning alcohol and its societal promotion is a greater harm by any government. Absurd? Yes. But deep down inside it’s no more absurd than prohibiting marijuana considering their similarities in societal use. I was going to say similarities in relative harm too, but alcohol is killing vastly more people than all other recreational drugs.

Canada legalizing marijuana simply stopped criminalizing normal society. The matrix of harm/help of alcohol, weed, and others is way more complex than prohibition.

[–] FlyingSquid 34 points 5 days ago

We already know what alcohol prohibition did in the U.S. and we know that our prisons are filled with people who happened to have a dime bag in their pocket when a cop stopped them. He's not an idiot. He has to know about both of those things.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Stupid old bonger meddling in North American affairs.

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[–] UmeU 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He must not be very intelligent to hold these debunked and outdated views. Quite out of touch with reality.

[–] Pilferjinx 22 points 5 days ago

He seems to be a sobriety zealot. Most of the damage caused by marijuana is the illegality of it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

You can't think of a single greater mistake either of those country's has made that's worse than legal weed? Not a single one?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Fuck off elton. You know as well as anyone the same can be said for alcohol. As a legalization person I am very disappointed in at least the illinois legalization. It does not allow for private grow for everyone and puts to much money into to small of hands. In addition all the adult entertainment should have severe advertising restrictions. They should be restricted to only having adverts in other adult businesses. So liquor stores, dispensiaries, gambling establishments, bars, etc. stores should not be able to advertise liquor but just have the section with prices and thats it. Same with restaurants. We should totally allow adults to do these things but it stay out of the general public space.

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[–] WrenFeathers 14 points 4 days ago (9 children)

When did he become an idiot?

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Soooooooooooo, Germany's Legalization is fine then?

Okay good! (Join the BubatzGartenClub!)

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[–] postmateDumbass 16 points 5 days ago

What a douche.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Who asked your opinion and since when as it become relevant?

Go listen to Rocket Man. Please, do that.

This is an individual well known for being a diva, in the bad sense of the expression. He once cancelled a show in my country, with a fully sold out venue, at 250€ a seat, because - grab your seats! - he demand a "masseusse" and the venue was unable to provide a profissional willing to provide the service.

His penchant for heavy drinking is also a well known issue and I have a somewhat hazy memory of reading somewhere he was once a cocaine user. ~~Hoover~~ Vacuum cleaner level. Industrial force.

So... who died and made his opinion relevant?

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[–] x00z 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I get paranoid from weed.

But I do like myself some ketamine, cocaine, LSD, DMT, GHB, and MDMA :D

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