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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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As per .world worldnews mod, no discussing naughty stuff like jury nullification.

While this post is blowing up, here's the book referenced by the shooter:

Delay Deny Defend - Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It

By request: Full, uncensored video of the shooting. (Fucking obviously NSFW)

Jury nullification: A practical FAQ

Do I have to answer questions about jury nullification?

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[–] [email protected] 325 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Nullification is your duty when the law is unjust. Also not illegal

[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 days ago
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[–] [email protected] 274 points 6 days ago (20 children)

wtf

Jury nullification is legal.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 6 days ago

Yep. Mods power hungry just like on reddit. Federated platforms exist to not have to deal with this BS.

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[–] Etterra 21 points 4 days ago

World News is ban-happy, screw em.

John Oliver did an episode about jury nullification, IIRC. And it's funny how when you're on jury duty, they're not allowed to tell you about jury nullification, but they can't stop you from discussing or doing it when you're making your deciding. IMO they should be required to tell you, but as usual, those in power fear anyone outside the system having power of their own.

[–] [email protected] 203 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's a TOS violation to discuss one of the very real and legitimate responsibilities you have as a juror?

Like, nullification is a thing because it's very much the absolute very very last defense against bullshit laws being used against people by a corrupt judicial system.

It's a moral imperative and something anyone sitting on a jury should understand and be willing to use.

What an absurd take, especially since it sounds like it's all the .world admins having it.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 6 days ago (28 children)

theres no faster way to get kicked out of the selection process than mentioning it.

if you want out of jury duty, mention jury nullification and you are out of there.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It's likely not actually a TOS violation, that person commenting is almost certainly talking out of their ass, likely to try and push their own agenda and make people comply.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Jury nullification has always been a hot topic on Reddit, so of course it’s going to continue as a hot topic on Lemmy. The percentage of American Reddit and Lemmy users who know about jury nullification is doubtless at a statistically significant higher rate than the whole of the American public.

That said, you guys must know that not all people are comfortable with murder, even when it involves an asshole. And that is a good thing. We need compassionate people in the world. Compassion is cool, we need a measure of it tempering everything else.

That’s it. Just a reminder that people are gonna people. And a complete lack of surprise at yet another discussion involving jury nullification within these past 10yrs of Reddit/Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It is exactly our compassion for humanity that we are culturally celebrating that dude’s death

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[–] repungnant_canary 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Also, isn't lemmy.WORLD supposed to be a worldwide instance? I can discuss jury nullification as much as I want because I'll never be in the US jury. From my point of view, if I discussed jury nullification and got banned for it, I would treat that as a quite aggressive restriction of free speech.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

From https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

Our Governing Laws

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

The Netherlands Republic of Finland Federal Republic of Germany

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[–] pivot_root 169 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (16 children)

I consider human life sacred

Like the lives of those cut short by denying treatment so CEOs and shareholders can make more money?

only God may judge us

Oh, fuck off. If God exists and actually cared, he/she/they would have "judged" the guy a long time ago for introducing needless suffering and cruelty.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago

only god may judge us

Is a great argument for jury nullification. Because that will allow for god to decide the shooters verdict.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage 49 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, needless suffering and cruelty are kinda that god's bag...

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[–] inv3r510n 27 points 5 days ago

God judged and sent an assassin if we’re gonna play the whole believe in god game

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[–] Duamerthrax 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Ok, I wasn't really that surprised when a bunch of users who were calling for more murder were getting their comments deleted. That's a bit much and users need to know how to be more vague with their threats, especially with web crawls recording and indexing everything we say online...

But censoring the discussion of a real legal process is crazy. Well, I've made a few comments regarding jury nullification. I'll report if they get deleted.

edit: It's been about 20 hours and none of my Jury Nullification comments have remained. I have a feeling that the .world mods figured out that that discussion was fine or the deleted comments has other reasons to be deleted.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How is jury nullification against .world ToS? It is part of the law! Or more specifically it is literally created from the absence of a law, to allow a fair trial by your peers.

Courts don't want you to know about jury nullification but it is not illegal. It is a required part of the judicial system.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago

so trying to prevent people knowing about is is more akin to trying to prevent people from knowing what rights they have?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

The last US presidential election was basically jury nullification.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Sounds like some corpo shit

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[–] njm1314 73 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They keep claiming all these things against the TOS yet you can read that and none of it's in there. I don't know what it is about these mods but they sure seem to be trying to push their own agenda.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (16 children)

Remember how the [email protected] mods kept pushing for months the propaganda bot from a pro-Zionist and very rightwing (so much so that their definition of a Rightwing news media was pretty much only the Far-Right ones) organisation trying to tell everybody which news to trust and which to not trust?

Also, curiously and back some months ago when I was making anti-Zionist posts in my Lemmy.world account, all of a sudden I started getting e-mails on the account I used to register on Lemmy.world from an Israeli organisation doing "Education about Israel" courses and they knew not just my e-mail but also the country I lived in (the e-mails were in my native language) even though I didn't share my email on any posts.

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[–] Supervisor194 109 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Only God may judge us? Which God exactly, you giant fucking DIPSHIT?

[–] [email protected] 86 points 6 days ago

My inbox is quite a ride. I keep seeing insults in it and then realise it's not meant for me

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 6 days ago (2 children)

only God may judge us

🚨🚩🚨🚩🚨🚩🚨

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Only god may judge us? Sure, which is why god sent a fucking assassin.

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[–] ClamDrinker 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm totally with the post here condemning this but I wish some people in this comment section would act neutrally.

This is not a lemmy.world admin, who would actually speak on behalf of the whole instance (Not that those haven't done questionable shit either, but not to this level). It's a mod on community that happens to be hosted on lemmy.world, and they are citing the lemmy.world ToS in bad faith. Just like a corrupt cop will think of some bullshit law to arrest you if they wanted to abuse their power.

I for one do hope they get removed as a mod from the community by the admins, but strangely I see very little of that being discussed. Instead there's a bunch of prepossessed conclusions made about the users of lemmy.world, which shouldn't be a surprise that the largest instance, isn't a monolith, and people don't join it for political affiliation unlike some instances. The fact the mod is at times not even receiving a single upvote should be clear that everyone is disgusted by this.

Lemmy.world users need to see this thread and this corruption from a mod on our instance, so that we can pressure them into being removed. Since communities are there also for people outside of the instance, this is a net positive for the fediverse itself if they get kicked out.

But this kind of circle jerking over how much you dislike lemmy.world, you're drowing out the actually important information, and if the first thing someone sees when entering this thread is unfounded prejudice against them, they're going to ignore it and think less of you for it in return, creating a more hostile space for everyone that has to share it. I hope everyone here that does this is aware of that self-sabotage.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 6 days ago

Banning people for encouraging continued violence is one thing, but banning people for encouraging others not to imprison someone is actually ridiculous, regardless of their actual guilt.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

You shouldn't talk about jury nullification because the first rule of jury nullification is you do not talk about jury nullification.

[–] PapaStevesy 78 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Time to start working jury nullification into every comment I make no matter how unrelated it may be.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 days ago

Remember to report your comments after posting them

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[–] mlg 32 points 5 days ago (12 children)

lemmy.ml gonna ride this for a month lmao

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Discussing an actual legitimate part of the law is a no no on lemmy.world

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[–] PugJesus 81 points 6 days ago (3 children)

"only God may judge us"

It's okay, as an atheist, I only recognize the moral authority of humankind, so judge away.

More seriously speaking, PTB. It would be one thing if the justification was "We REALLY do not want any legal trouble and we are just not equipped to take on any challenges, so we're playing it safe", but "i consider human life sacred"? They can fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago

Human life is sacred, which is why I'm celebrating this POS no longer being able to abuse the sick to make a few extra bucks.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 days ago

Imagine describing the denial of medical care to thousands in the name of profits as a "mistake".

What a clown!

[–] [email protected] 58 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Hold the fuck up, now they have secret terms of service?

[–] [email protected] 80 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Based on past behaviour, the .world ToS generally gets modified to justify whatever actions they've taken AFTER they've already taken it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago

I love Lemmy dot world mods, every few weeks they have some weird drama and think they can patch it out with a change to the TOS

[–] Brodysseus 23 points 5 days ago (28 children)

I want to find a new home instance, just randomly picked this one when I signed up moving from reddit.

Anybody got any suggestions or one's to avoid?

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[–] johannesvanderwhales 27 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Can we migrate instances or do we just start a new account elsewhere?

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[–] flicker 41 points 6 days ago (38 children)

Fuuuuuck I have to change instances again...

Anybody got a recommendation?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago

That's insane lol. They also get mad when you stand outside the courthouse and hand out pamphlets about it, wonder if this fool works in the system.

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