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It's a rare example of English being simpler than other languages, so I'm curious if it's hard for a new speaker to keep the nouns straight without the extra clues.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I find the lack of capitalisation to be worse honestly. A lot of sentences where it is not clear at first whether something is a noun or not

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Capitalisation also makes skimming texts so much easier and faster since you can just jump from noun to noun until you find something relevant. I wish more languages would do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

in my language nouns aren't gensered either so it was pretty easy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not at all, it makes it simpler, in many cases you don't even need it or is even simpler to convey the gender in other ways

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Some of them are, which is even more confusing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

English is missing quite a few grammatical features that are necessary for understanding of a German sentence. The genderedness (lolwat is that a word?) nouns helps recognise references, as does ~~declination~~ declension of nouns. German (as presumably other languages do) also uses a LOT more commas than English to structure sentences. So if you know what to look for, it can be very easy to parse even a complicated German sentence because everything has a signal attached telling you what it's doing in that sentence.

Obviously language can work perfectly fine without those features or English wouldn't exist. Still, there are frequently sentences in English that would have to be reworded quite heavily to lose their ambiguity, such as when there are several "it"s referenced and you have to take half a second to figure out which one is which. That's when I do sometimes miss my native language's features - but it's also when native English speakers struggle.

Edit: declination vs declension. Go away, I just woke up lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I think it's just that one point where you have to accept things like that exist. Sometimes gendering slips out of your mind, but a lot of people let it slide.

[–] Etterra 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Eh, gendered nouns are just an old holdover. At least English (usually) uses words to improve specificity. For example, "Pick up my medicine" as opposed to "pick up medicine." It seems redundant to some until suddenly you need to specify after the fact.

The more precise the language the fewer chances of miscommunication. A perfect language would be precise and unambiguous without deliberate effort (as opposed to laziness, slang, shorthand, etc.) which is probably completely impossible to craft, much less about.

[–] Windex007 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I disagree that being perfectly unambiguous is a feature of a "perfect" language.

Ambiguity creates holes for us to fill, and some people don't realize how good it feels to fill those holes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Out of German and English, I always found German to be better suited for factual texts (scientific papers and essays, news textbooks, encyclopedias etc.) because it's less ambiguous and English for more creative writing (novels, poems, opinion pieces, speeches etc.) because there is more scope for the imagination and the ambiguity leaves more room for double entendres, puns and other fun stuff. There are advantages to both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

It was a bit confusing at first but I got used to it quickly, it's much simpler this way

[–] Canopyflyer 2 points 3 days ago

English may not have gendered nouns, but it has plenty of other challenges.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was weird in the very beginning, but it's good and I love it!

Absolutely worth getting used to, way less headaches

[–] calamitycastle 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

*way fewer headaches

(Sorry)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Appreciated :D

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago

It's not, why would that even be a good thing? Get rid of adding identifies to objects like a 6yo.

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