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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

A decent "party" would dispel "ignorance" rather than thriving on it.

That's completely within the bounds of reason.

[–] pyre 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

(TLDR the first two paragraphs this turned to a novel of a rant)

this is stupid as fuck. no. it's on the dems. the reason they lost is because they don't mind losing. they're corporate cunts anyway, if they're not in power they'll still be comfortable so why even pretend to challenge the status quo and possibly scare away your bribers?

fuck no. the american people are stupid, yes, but it's not like that's genetic. they've been undereducated, overworked, constantly distracted and endlessly bombarded with propaganda for decades at this point.


politicians are allowed to work for companies they regulate and regulate companies they used to work for. they're allowed to be bribed legally as long as you call it lobbying and don't have "I will pass this law in exchange for this money" in writing. they're allowed to lie to the public without consequence.

the media is allowed to lie without consequence even when it's provable that they know they're lying. every day for years. lie. lie. lie.

the dumbest fucks alive are allowed to homeschooled their children and make sure their kids are at least as dumb.

not that schools are perfect. they are allowed to push religion and politics over science. meanwhile churches are allowed to give political sermons and still keep tax exempt status (technically not but in practice they are).

even with all this brainwashing it's not like people are allowed to think for themselves for a minute let alone research shit and stay on top of political issues. wages are ass and lots of people have to work multiple jobs. even if they don't companies aren't mandated to have PTO, not even for federal holidays. they're not mandated to raise wages either, even though rent always keeps rising.

just in case some people still might feel a bit too comfortable most are also blessed with crushing debt for the garbage education they got and the healthcare industry is just waiting for the chance to fuck them over if they ever dare get sick, let alone have an accident. you're not allowed to think, you're not allowed to breathe. work. crash. consume to feel barely good enough to keep working.

and on top of all of that, even if you manage to get through all that hurdle... voting is a privilege, not a right. especially if you're likely to vote blue, the system is in place to make your chances to vote as low as possible.

and even then, you have the electoral college and the senate to make sure a bunch of rock and dirt has as much say as millions of people on one side. which leaves tons of people to think why even bother?

so with all that, when everything is bad, and everyone is lying, as one of only two eligible parties you can't just throw your hands up and say "why aren't people more educated?" IT'S YOUR FUCKING JOB! people are hurting and one side is saying "hey I know everything sucks and you don't know how anything works so here's an easy answer: it's black and brown people" and the other side instead of correcting THAT, they're trying to correct THE PEOPLE and their justified feelings about how everything sucks and say "nah things are good actually"... fuck the democratic party.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I think those two statements are about two different things: on is about blame, the other is about course of action.

People who voted for fascists got duped/are into fascism, but you still have to convince them to chose otherwise because what is the alternative?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, this is the correct comment. We can't control voters, but the Democratic party can control itself, and we can exert influence over it. Blaming voters can only work as a sort of stress relief, but it isn't useful. It doesn't put us in a position to win the next election. If anything, it probably does the opposite and makes those people hate us.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago
  1. People are busy with more important things than social media, YouTube’s, podcasts, and news.

  2. People will vote with their communities to retain membership: MAGA, church, the family unit (sometimes).

  3. it’s not uncommon for 60% of people not to vote.

  4. Kamala didn’t distance herself from Biden. “They’re isn’t anything that comes to mind” was a coffin nail.

  5. DEMs don’t sell it well. The story told has to be big enough and potent enough to pull in 1, 2, & 3.

  6. What is the point of beating this dead horse? It solves nothing.

[–] splonglo 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

1 ) public ignorance is a widespread social force not a personal character fault that happens to individually affect the majority of the population.

2 ) This attitude of moral contempt is actively repellent to the people we need to reach out to, who do not subscribe to your premise. A lot of people don't think they are fascists - they are wrong, but they'll still look at you funny unless you can do a damn good job of making the argument. The Dems couldn't, the media couldn't, and nobody is watching it anyway. WE have to do it. Make better arguments and reach out to people instead of circlejerking and making our opponents arguments for them.

[–] naught101 6 points 10 hours ago

Both can be true

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