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[–] [email protected] 220 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is a problem that can be solved.

[–] DandomRude 151 points 1 month ago (8 children)

That's true, but unfortunately it won't be solved, at least not in the US. Simply because private prisons are such a profitable business there.

[–] DeadWorldWalking 44 points 1 month ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago

Friendly reminder that prisons are a profitable business. There are relatively few private prisons, but companies like Sysco make a ton of money from public prisons and prisoners are leased out as slaves too.

[–] Viking_Hippie 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As is government owned prisons. Corporations profiting from punitive slavery and bribing politicians to keep the slaves coming is the norm for ALL US prisons, not a "private ones only" exception.

[–] DandomRude 12 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'm pretty sure you're absolutely right. I just can't say much about all this myself because I'm from Europe. Things are very different here: private prisons are unimaginable for very obvious reasons. Doesn't mean that we don't have similar problems (people trying to get rich on this) with public prisons, but at least all this is treated less as a business in Europe, which of course it should never be for very obvious reasons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Alas the UK has begun outsourcing prisons to private companies like G4S to profit from.

We are ever the worst of Western Europe.

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[–] Anticorp 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It is already solved in 24 US States. The federal government hasn't done shit, so the States changed the laws themselves. Of course that doesn't resolve issues like drug tests for federal jobs, or questionnaires for firearms purchases, but those are edge cases that don't affect most people.

[–] DandomRude 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I assume you mean the problem of going to prison for a little weed, right? Or are private prisons illegal in 24 states? That would be news to me.

[–] Anticorp 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

So yeah that solves one fraction of the problem... IE bigger one being, a single mistake at one point in life, basically wrecks your ability to reform and become a productive citizen.

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[–] Dozzi92 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In parts of the US. I hate living in a progressive state and getting lumped in with the backward ass parts of the country. This problem in particular differs across state lines. Unfortunately the best I can hope for now is for my state to be left alone.

[–] Maggoty 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nah dude. Every prison is a profit center. California just voted to be a slave state to keep those profits rolling.

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[–] DandomRude 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Completely understandable. From my point of view, I can't understand how there can be such a thing as private prisons at all. It's a terrible approach, no matter where in the world. I haven't looked into it much, but as far as I know, the US is the only country that organizes state sovereignty according to capitalist logic(at least in some states). In my opinion, that is absurd.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, it's a pretty straight-forward solution. OP should have just used intergenerational wealth to buy politicians and make their preferred substance of entertainment (or coping mechanism) legal. It boggles my mind how so many people ignore obvious solutions like this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Hey, my dad only gave me a small million dollar loan and I did alright.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Not anymore.

[–] richardisaguy 10 points 1 month ago

yes, give him more drugs

[–] Dorkyd68 6 points 1 month ago

Legalize all drugs? I agree

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

passing to the left hand side ?

[–] eblouie96 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

All the comments in this thread are focused on drugs but the bigger issue is that maybe we should not have non-violent felonies ruin a person's whole life. When you do the time after the crime and get released you are still being punished forever. That's the real injustice! A non-violent felony should be forgiven or expunged after a certain time.

[–] meliaesc 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

The president elect is doing just fine with his convictions (I'm sorry to bring politics up here, but it does seem relevant.)

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[–] MisterFrog 5 points 1 month ago

Other than maybe serious white collar crime, because it can often lead to a bunch of suicides.

Though even then, once they've done their time (and hopefully received a lot of counselling, and not treated like an animal in prison) maybe the even they deserve to reintegrate into society.

Maybe human rights should be universal. My hot take haha

[–] TheTechnician27 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  • Abolish the death penalty. It has shown zero ability to deter crime, it costs much, much more than life in prison, and at minimum 4% of those executed are objectively innocent. There's zero valid reason to perform the death penalty if it fails to be either accurate or a deterrent, and it fails both.
  • Stop making jokes that normalize prison rape. I know most people are on-board now with how tasteless these have been, but it really is gross the extent to which we've normalized extrajudicial punishment in jails as a society, let alone rape.
  • Allow felons the right to vote even while serving their sentence. Not only are those convicted often innocent, but even if they weren't, they still deserve to have a say in how their life gets governed just like the rest of us. Disenfranchising prisoners and felons simply leads to worse treatment of prisoners. It also isolates them further from society, making it just that bit harder to reintegrate.
  • Stop using prisoners as slave labor. In the long-term, amend out the part of the 13th Amendment that lets us do that.
  • Socialize prisons. Private companies having their hands in this isn't good for the taxpayer, and it definitely isn't good for the prisoners. This includes even small but impactful things like price gouging prisoners for calls to their families and friends.
  • Stop sending drug users to jail. At worst for destructive drugs, treat it as a public health issue and enforce some sort of treatment regimen if caught.
  • Take some of the excessive funds given to the police and put them toward social services which improve people's lives and the community to reduce the chances they fall into crime to begin with. An ounce of prevention, etc.
  • Make prison more like the outside world. Rigid standardization is still good for reform, but by giving prisoners a basic standard of living, you reduce recidivism and make prisons dramatically safer.
  • Stop using cash bail. Either someone belongs on the street or they don't, and pre-existing financial situation should never determine that.
  • End bans on government benefits for felons released from prison. These are arguably the people who need help to get back on their feet the most.
[–] Juvyn00b 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know someone with a minor misdemeanor (no jail time, unrelated to drugs) and they've found that alone to be limiting for jobs... (Amazon delivery person to be specific)

[–] Maggoty 2 points 1 month ago

We got kicked out of our apartment because one of us walked across the rail tracks. It's insane.

[–] bigFab 9 points 1 month ago

You skept the forced labour stage during prison.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Now imagine how self-fulfilling it becomes when you overpolice a particular demographic to the point where a very high percentage of them experience an event like this. Imagine what happens when you do it for decades. Centuries maybe?

Then imagine what that means for their likely outcomes in society compared to other demographics.

Then imagine what an absolute piece of shit you must be as a member of another demographic losing your shit when someone starts to talk about systemic racism or white privilege, or when you fight against justice system reforms, social safety nets, and efforts at rehabilitation.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/press-releases/new-report-finds-imprisonment-rate-of-black-men-has-fallen-by-nearly-50-since-2000-but-pushback-threatens-continued-progress/

[–] teslasaur 6 points 1 month ago

Spoiler! It did.

[–] humorlessrepost 6 points 1 month ago

Panel 5.5: Trying to vote to improve the system, but can’t.

[–] rob_t_firefly 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a good comic except for the gratuitous prison gay panic joke straight out of a crappy 1980s sitcom.

[–] Maggoty 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Prison rape is a real and on going problem that has nothing to do with the LGBTQ community. In fact LGBTQ people are often the victims of rape in prison.

[–] Glytch 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are correct on both accounts. It's still a shitty cheap joke who's "humor" is derived from gay panic.

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[–] Dasus 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, it is.

So like, making stupid jokes about it perhaps isn't the greatest way to, uh... raise awareness.

[–] Maggoty 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not the joke on it's own. In fact there's not much actual joke here. It's showing the self fulfilling prophecy of the prison pipeline.

[–] Dasus 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Could've shown it in a less rapey way. Like meeting a hostile gang or something?

John Oliver commented on this. https://youtu.be/_Pz3syET3DY?si=dYIgBO5gKu1pFmOM&t=197

[–] Maggoty 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, were you laughing when you read the comic strip? I wasn't.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

FUCK YES. So many people fail to understand this based on numerous conversations I've had. Cops especially don't seem to recognize what even a minor brush with incarceration or arrest can do to someone's life. (Or they like the power they have over the people around them. Maybe a little of column A a little of column B in that case.)

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