Electing Trump (Nov 2016) the first time was the American equivalent of Brexit (June 2016).
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The difference being half of Americans actually chose this. It was not a half passed unnoficial referendum.
Wasn’t it something more like 23% of the population voted for him?
I think the point is he won both the popular and electoral. In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral anyway.
Not really. Brexit is permanent.
Run it back in 4 years and see how well this holds up.
Even if Trump doesn't further dismantle the already weak democratic systems in the US, the consequences of this election will be felt for many decades to come. Western allies will be ostracized, international climate efforts won't have a bloody chance now, authoritarianism will rise all around the world. Palestine will likely cease to exist, so may Ukraine and Georgia.
Lots of innocent people will die just because they happen to be LGBTQ or pregnant or not white. Poverty will increase. The courts will be filled with right-wing judges.
This election might be the most consequential political outcome ever since Hitler was appointed chancellor. It will be a fucking nightmare.
And every idiot who didn't vote for Harris is partly responsible. There is no bloody excuse.
And democracy never comes back peacefully. Dictators never give up their power. The only way to bring it back is through revolution. Many more lives will be lost just to bring what the voters gave up this week.
I vote NY and California secede so we can form independent states because we're tired of supporting the entire country.
There is a reason states don’t have military 😉
Jeez at least take your blue neighbors with you.
New England would like to come with you!
It's got the same energy, but i would argue it's worse. I dont know why, but this feels much worse, and i voted to remain. I have such disdain for those who voted leave. But trump as president and all the shit he is already planning to pull, i just feel like a lot more bad stuff is going to happen because of this, and its reach will be father than brexit.
The UK is a small country that doesn't have nearly the geopolitical sway that the US does. If the UK withdraws to itself, that sucks for Britons but the rest of the world will carry on. If the US withdraws to itself, it will suck for the rest of the world but the Americans will carry on.
"Somebody shit in my pants."
I'd say it's even worse. Because we"ve done this before. It's more like if Brexit happened, and then a few years later they admitted it was terrible, undid it, and THEN did a second brexit. Knowing full well what the first one was.
Electing Trump the first time was the equivalent of Brexit.
Electing him twice is the equivalent of setting your own home on fire, walking back inside while the house is still burning and taking a nap, hoping that the flames will only destroy your neighbour's house.
Too many friends and distant family, from marginalized communities telling me "They don't mean me, I am a legal American citizen"
My dad is an asshole. He's controlling. He wants everything his way. He wants you to be dependant on him. He'll accomplish this by sabotaging you, and any life progress you've made.
He had a seizure. He fell down, and he banged his head on a table at a laundromat.
He was in the hospital for 2 months. He had a heart attack 3 weeks after the seizure, and required double bypass surgury. He would have been released 3 days later, until he had the heart attack. So his total time in the hospital was 2 months instead of 3 weeks.
I was there. Every day he was in the hospital. I was there. He complained about how terrible the hospital food was. I brought him freah fruit straight from the market. I cooked him a daily meal. I approved everything wish his doctors.
He doesn't remember that. He has no memory of his hospital stay. When he came out of the hospital, we BEGGED him to stay with his mother for a few weeks. He had lost use of one of his eyes. He had no balance. And his mom lived in a building made for the elderly. My aunt at the time semi lived there, taking care of my grandma. So to take care of him too would be no problem. Plus, there was no stairs. He could barely move two feet without wobbling.
But he demanded to go home. He yelled at me for trying to help him. He wouldn't let my aunt into his house to cook him meals. He wouldn't let me in to help with cleaning and laundry. He pushed us all out. I reminded him that we've been helping him for months. He argued that we hadn't. I told him "I've visited you every day before work. I've brought you meals. I've brought you a rotating set of clean clothes. Why do you think you had a laundry basket in your hospital room?"
And his response....."Well who asked you to do THAT?"
That was the moment that really hurt. The moment when all you want to do is help, but you're being insulted for your efforts. To know none of it was appriciated. And that no further efforts would be appriciated.
My point in response to what you said is, sometimes we want to help those in our life, but they'll insist they know best. Even when their mental capacity is diminished. Even though it hurts, sometimes all you can do is wash your hands of the situation.
Godamn this is sad.
A lot of this reminds me of my dad, down to the non functioning eye due to stroke. He's an asshole, controlling, etc, but not quite this bad.
I really do hope you're able to make peace with this if you haven't already.
I've washed my hands of it. He's my dad. I'll be there for him if he ever realizes he needs help. Until then I've resigned myself to knowing that I'm not the problem. I'm not able to help him, because he won't accept help. He has a mental block on being able to accept that he's in his 70s, and he's getting older, and his 41 year old son, that 30 years ago was his little boy, is more capable physically than he is right now.
He can't accept that I can fix plumbing because I can bend down. He can't accept that I can shovel snow without pulling my back. All because he can't accept that he needs me now. Not the other way around. And I'm happy to help him. But he's not happy to accept that it's 2024. Not 1994. Which I get. 1994 was awesome. Green Day had just relesed Dookie. I could still wear those bead thing necklaces that washing tub plugs use as a chain. And yin yang bracelets. The Sega Genesis was awesome. Jurassic Park had just come out on VHS and wasn't ruined by the sequals yet. The countrys political spectrum wasn't a raging dumpster fire. 1994 was pretty great. I wish we could ALL go back......but we can't. We have to live in 2024.
So the most I can do to move on is not take it personally. Try to make my 40s something enjoyable, ya know? We sll went through covid together, and just as everyone was getting back to a sense of normal, I was diagnosed with cancer. I spent a year of my life kicking cancers ass, and I won. Shout-out to Dr Crawford, and the MetroHealth medical system. In the midst of all that, Gram died. She was 103, but whenever you lose your hero in life, it's ALWAYS too soon.
And NOW a year later I'm getting back to normal. The dust has settled. Those events with my dad in the hospital were 3 years ago. 3 years seems relatively short, but I swear we're on some different timeline right now. I swear it feels like 20 years ago. Calanders and logic tell me that it JUST happened recently, but I swear it was a lifetime ago.
And now......trump.........
So I've decided that in order to find peace, I'm just going to mentally check out here for a while. I'm going to buy my first house. I'm going to go to work. And I'm going to concentrate on me. Because mentally these last few years have broken me. And the next few years look scary as hell. I can't drink, because I used to be an alcoholic, and that gave me cancer. I can't smoke weed, because my job tests. I've lost friends. I've lost family. I feel isolated. I feel stressed. So I'm going to buy a run down house, and fix it up. I'm just going to spend all my time either working, or sawing, or drilling, or sanding. Just really taking my mind off shit. Just concentrate on me. Which is not in my nature. I'm not used to being selfish. But.....I just need to work on me, as I work on a house.
I'm sorry if this came off as a long winded rant, but I just needed to vent.
Tomorrow is a new day. For me, both literally and metaphorically. And for me, I'm taking me first step to buying a house.
Just want to say that you have a great perspective on life. Don't lose that.
Fuck yeah dude. Looking out for other people only can put you in a pretty deep hole. It took getting clean from opiates for me to finally accept that. Believe it or not I literally told myself yesterday, if no one else is going to give a shit, I'm just going to have to direct all my energy towards myself and my SO. Its really exhausting, but I hope it works out for us.
Electing Trump the first time was the equivalent of proverbial/technical Brexit.
Electing him twice is the equivalent of literal Brexit. As in physically moving that damp island away from Europe by using nukes.
Read foundations of geopolitics by alexsandr dugin. This was all laid out years ago. In black and white.
Brexit was a Russian op.
Trump is a (part) Russian op.
Ending NATO is a Russian op
Aligning with Iran is.
The only good thing is they want to destabilize China.
Britain will have a hard time topping this. Maybe if Farage takes over the Tories and they win the next election, they’ll come up with a fitting riposte.
Didn't Farage win his seat last election? UK might have hard time topping it now but a decade later he might creep in. The world is shifting toward right.
For real. I think y'all have an advantage though, you couldn't vote for brexit twice.
Considering that Labour is making noise about rejoining, maybe they can.
The first time was like shitting the bed. It was an unpleasant mess for everyone involved, but potentially forgivable, assuming the mess was cleaned up.
The second time is smearing shit on the walls.
Honestly that's not a bad comparison
well, no, brexit only fucked over great britain, re-electing trump fucked over the entire planet, ukraine and taiwan specifically, but the entire free world is going to suffer from american disengagement. whole lot more people going to be speaking russian in the next two years. for the folks who think america only fucked themselves, lol, thereastormacomin meme springs to mind, and i for one, apologize in advance for what we've done
taiwan
fuck.. didn't even consider that till now...
Even with Trump, the US military complex will just NOT let TSMC to be taken away from them.
But as soon as foundries are done and producing on US soil... then ya.. pray for Taiwan, because US won't have a good reason to risk direct conflict with China over that island.
Dearborn, Michigan, after its population drops by 30%: "Thanks for removing the bad hombres"
They'll be told that the "other people" are also being hurt, so they'll be happy.