Hitler was nothing without the NSDAP and the fascist movement.
There were 915,000 Germans in the Waffen-SS.
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What a terrible question. He was an awful person but obviously nobody is all bad.
He only has one redeeming quality: killing Hitler.
but also he killed the guy who killed hitler
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The more nuanced data: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf
I was hoping that the 'not all bad' would be almost all of it. Unfortunately while it was half of it, a full half said Hitler was as good a guy as he was a bad guy, with an equal number responding unsure, which is likely leaning toward I don't want to give a socially unacceptable answer.
There is literally nothing I can think of that would make him good in any isolated field. For a long time people held the believe that he was pro environment and animal rights. But he also killed his own dog. People also say that he had a special aura around him. That he was very charming. But those people were likely like trump supporters today. My great grandmother actually got to see him before she fled Germany. She said that there was nothing particularly interesting about him except for the way he speaks maybe.
The question is still to vague. Obviously all of his politics were the worst. But the way it's phrased, you'd kinda have to agree he wasn't ALL bad if, for example, he made a pretty tasty pasta sauce. Like. Not that it'd be relevant. It's the vagueness of the question that I'm critiquing. Maybe I'm just having an autism moment.
Nah, it's deliberately formulated so it can be pulled out of context, misrepresented and cause outrage. And it works.
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We know, they just voted for him.
Definitely a lot more than that based on this election.
Ok, I get it, but we really should avoid looking at things/people like Adolfy as black or white - that just makes it a meme & loses actual historical/lecture value.
With Hitler being a one-dimensional idea/meme/brand instead of a human (supported by humans with rational human causes) I'm afraid we are doomed to repeat the same cycle of mistakes.
What I'm saying is that instead of education we have strong propaganda (after a specific date) that taught us this Hitler brand was just & only bad, like it was a spontaneous event. Instead of a full person & a nation (again full of actual people) with voting rights in irl situations.
And propaganda isn't free, it's financially fueled, which means it wants something in return.
Monsters are humans. We need to remember that, despite what we are preached.
I'm completely against his policies and actions for obvious reasons. I hate Nazis.
Still, I could probably be convinced to say that he wasn't 100% bad in every possible way.
Even the most evil people are complex human beings. There may be something good inside them at some point to some person, etc.
"All" is a very powerful word.
While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think 1 in 5 thought : "well, he's kind with his dog and an OK painter, I can't in good faith say he's completely bad"
I do
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https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf
12% had the rather less ambiguous responses of 'he was at least as good as he was bad'. While 12% of folks were of the maybe defensible technicality of 'well, even the worst person occasionally will do the right thing', another 12% responded as 'unsure', which I would suspect would lean toward "I don't want to admit a socially unacceptable answer".
another 12% responded as ‘unsure’, which I would suspect would lean toward “I don’t want to admit a socially unacceptable answer”.
i'd lean towards "i don't know enough about the facts to make a definitive statement"
public education isn't great and even good public education rarely dives deeply in the life of Adolf Hitler beyond the obvious "he was a megalomaniac dictator who killed Jews and wanted to take over the world"
Hitler became Hitler because of his life experiences. He served in the German military during WW1, he was homeless in Vienna, he grew up poor with a sick mother. These events, along with the movements of the then-current cultural zietgiest, radicalized him in certain directions. It's a complex story that is hard to break down into simplistic moral platitudes of "good person" or "bad person"
I understand there's generally nuance and all for various folks villified through history, but given the last decade of his life, his story became one of the easiest in history to break down into "bad person" without oversimplification or any vaguely acceptable case of moral relativism. More context is informative as a key part of learning of history, but it doesn't ultimately impact ability to simplify it to "bad person"
i dont want to sound like a moral relativist and i'm hesitant to respond because i also don't want to be a hitler apologist
but I think it's really hard to categorize a person into a "totally bad" position. for example, Hitler had a big ego but he probably genuinely wanted the best for Germany. He cared for animals, was a vegetarian (for the most part, especially in later years of life) and advocated for animal cruelty laws.
if he genuinely believed that eliminating the jews was necessary in order to secure the autonomy of the German people, does that make him a bad person? To a Nazi, the Jew is an evil parasite on society that needs to be eliminated for the good of the entire population.
now please understand I'm speaking from their perspective not saying it is correct
but this type of anti-semitic ideology did not spring up spontaneously in the 1930s but was something deep that developed over the course of hundreds of years and ultimately culminated in the genocide we saw
but if for example, we took everyone in this thread and raised them in 1890s Germany- how many of them would believe in tolerance and racial equality? I'd honestly be surprised if there was a single person
I don't know. I understand there are good things and bad things. but the difference between good and bad people is more complicated. bad people i typically relegate to those individuals that get pleasure of out cruelty or suffering
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U.S. opinion on the Nazi dictator remains more negative that it was at the height of World War II, when 25 percent of Americans said his ideas were correct
That's pretty surprising, you'd think when they were fighting him they'd hate him most
Putin.
This is what happens when you start to dismantle the education system. We can thank Reagan and the Bushes for that.
Well now he's going to be president.
I mean he did kill Hitler, that's got to count for something.
After last night, you don't have to prove we're dumb bastards to me.