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[–] Lost_My_Mind 149 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Taking away peoples freedom is whats best for users! It's the American way!"

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 1 month ago (12 children)

So the story is 'if they have to be unlocked, we can't offer discounts on the phones'.

Okay fine but uh, the last time I used a post-paid subsidized phone, I signed a contract. That stipulated how much I'd pay for however many months, and what the early cancellation fee was, as well as what the required buy-out for the phone was if I left early.

In what way is that insufficient to ensure that a customer spends the money to justify the subsidy?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's just a lie. I don't think it's meant to hold up to scrutiny, it's just meant to be repeated.

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[–] gedaliyah 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's exactly right. Users will have to purchase phones on credit like we do for every other major (and sometimes minor) purchase. This doesn't change the relationship between carriers and their customers at all. It only changes their accounting.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Bonus points: In Germany all phones come unlocked, regardless if you get them with a contract or not, and we still get much better discounts on the phones than in America.

Often times the total cost of the 24 month contract ends up being cheaper than buying the phone without a contract, so you essentially end up with a free phone plan

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Nono that wasn’t a service contract, it was a payment plan on the phone. And you can’t cancel the service until you pay off the phone.

It’s different…. Really….

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Narcissistic domestic abuser claims the exit doors that are locked from both sides are just for the protection of their spouse and its in their best interest to be secure"

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For my past 3 phones I just bought straight from the manufacturer.

I recommend it and hope phone unlocking gets pushed through despite their whining

[–] Aceticon 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've done this almost from the very beginning (back in the 90s) and always had very small mobile communications costs because I could easilly change providers and plans and even do things like use a local SIM card whilst abroad to avoid roaming costs.

[–] pHr34kY 6 points 1 month ago

I haven't financed a phone since 2008. I copped a fee for ending a 24 month contract a day early.

I just buy a cheap outright handset, flash a community ROM and avoid everything my telco offers past a $20 basic service. Handsets with community support go for years past what the manufacturers support.

[–] DaddleDew 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Is there a technical term for when a company or corporation makes a statement that is a blatant bad faith argument like that?

If none exists, I'd call it "Corporate massturbation". Because they're trying to jerk everyone off.

Edit Here's another one: "Corporate Anal Ostriching." Because they're shoving their heads up their own asses

[–] Nutteman 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Not even close.

[–] Cryophilia 12 points 1 month ago

It's always the same argument. "This objectively bad thing for consumers is actually good for consumers because it allows us to offer a lower price!"

No, dipshits, you are choosing to make your product shittier than necessary and charging customers to undo your shittery. That's not some external thing, it's something that you chose.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago

Locked phones should just be straight up illegal. It creates so much e-waste and is utterly ridiculous

[–] Maggoty 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Missing in this thread, courts are not known for their technological literacy. So companies just lie to them. Like, all the time. This isn't meant to withstand consumer scrutiny.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

isnt lying to court felony?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Maggoty 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but you have to get caught lying. And the courts aren't very literate with tech and economic stuff. You'd basically need to create a memo that says, "lol we lied!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

someone should try to inform relevant courts about technical things, no idea how but those corporations shouldnt be allowed to get away with crime

[–] Maggoty 7 points 1 month ago

You'd be interested in groups like the EFF and Amicus briefs.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Locked phones are what led me into the rabbit hole of purchasing phones from manufacturer, since the carriers not only lock phones but hobble the OS.

It did mean understanding what was necessary for a phone to qualify for given carriers, but I can tech when I need to, and I tech for my friends when they need it.

In 2024, T Mobile and AT&T (and Verizon) have all demonstrated they do not engage in good faith commerce, and so right now they're being sniveling little shits (quote me please) because the FCC and DoC are escaping regulatory capture.

That is to say, the end users are tired of their shit. Apple and Google, too.

[–] return2ozma 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My T-Mobile phone that's been unlocked and moved over to Google Fi has the T-Mobile image whenever you start up the phone. I'll only buy phones directly from the manufacturer now.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Rabbit hole"? Isn't it as easy as just not going to a carrier's store for it?

We always bought from generic tech stores, almost always big chain ones - never got a carrier-locked device. Is it different in the US?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Never buy a phone from your carrier, they will do some evil shit to try and force you to stay

[–] five82 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It was probably incompetence more than malice but T-Mobile customer service incorrectly told me multiple times that I was not allowed to pay off my phone balance early to unlock it. I'm on US Mobile now and I'll never go back to postpaid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

With Deutsche Telekom, never attribute to incompetence that which can be attributed to greed.

[–] muculent 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Near monopolies say monopolistic behavior is good for you and does not only benefit them. More bullshit at 11.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ohh look a corpo has opinions about your property 🤡

Remember that nextime you pay for a subscription

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

What year is it? Locked devices have been illegal in Quebec for, like, ever.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If they are good, why then the Europe ended that practice nearly 2 decades ago?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

and behold all of the terrible consequences!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

They must hate freedom!!

[–] teleprintme 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If I don't own my phone, then I'm not paying for it. Period.

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[–] dessimbelackis 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] MehBlah 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Pacattack57 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] werefreeatlast 13 points 1 month ago

That's such bullshit. Locked phones are like google accounts. At the end of the 2 years of owning it supposedly, you end up with all this shit you accumulated and no way to save it anywhere practically.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meanwhile Verizon has already been unlocking after 6 months

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[–] Sanctus 11 points 1 month ago

But if we unlock your phones from the start we lose control over you :( pwease

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's weird to see T-mobile taking this stance. I switched to them years ago because they were one of the few that supported unlocked phones, and even offered them for sale. Their policies might have changed on this, but I just bought an unlocked phone off Ebay this Summer and all I needed to do was pop my sim card into the new device. Hell I had to specifically install the visual voicemail app because there wasn't any bloatware on the phone when I got it. So I guess I'm not following what their complaint is about?

[–] ozymandias117 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every carrier lets you use an unlocked phone on their network

T-Mobile no longer lets you buy unlocked phones from them

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[–] Pacattack57 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“T-Mobile claims that with a 60-day unlocking rule, "consumers risk losing access to the benefits of free or heavily subsidized handsets because the proposal would force providers to reduce the line-up of their most compelling handset offers."

I’m I stupid or are they threatening to arbitrarily raise prices for no reason other than spite?

Also wtf is a “handset”?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I install alternative firmware, so no sale for you.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is talking about carrier locked phones, not locked bootloaders.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

They shouldn't be locked at all. If the phone is included with the contract, it probably requires you to pay it off if you cancel early anyways.

[–] mlg 6 points 1 month ago

They aggressively buy spin off services to ensure a locked market as well.

Cricket wireless was a on AT&T network provider that outshined AT&T because it allowed any device + better prices.

So naturally they bought them out and shutdown the any allowed devices to force you into buying a carrier phone to ensure your device will be locked.

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